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Live 10.03.12

Wednesday October 3, 2012

6:58

Steve Bartlett:

Good morning. A damp one for sure. Lots of water on the road so please adjust your speeds accordingly. I'll have more on today's weather in a second.
First, here are today's front page headlines...
• The forgotten crash — Remote memorial to people who died in Stephenville air tragedy in disrepair, group says
• Probe into adult education program delayed — Government will look at Bell Island MHA's part later, minister says
• City questions report card grade — Says it should have done better in freedom of information audit

Wednesday October 3, 2012 6:58 Steve Bartlett

6:59

Steve Bartlett:

And here's what Environment Canada says we have in store.
The forecast was issued at 5:30 this morning...

Today
Cloudy with 30 percent chance of showers. Fog patches. Wind west 30 km/h gusting to 50 becoming northwest 30 gusting to 50 this afternoon. Temperature steady near 13.

Tonight
Showers and periods of drizzle. Amount 2 mm. Fog patches. Wind northwest 40 km/h gusting to 60. Low 10.

Thursday
Showers and periods of drizzle. Amount 2 mm. Fog patches. Wind north 40 km/h gusting to 60. High 13.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 6:59 Steve Bartlett

7:01

Steve Bartlett:

The Eastern School District's website indicates all schools in the St. John's area are open this morning.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:01 Steve Bartlett

7:01

Steve Bartlett:

Here's a note alongside St. Augustines Primary on Bell Island...
"Parents are asked to check with your child for a memo sent home Tuesday. Please check for the Walk to Breakfast and School Council Nomination forms."

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:01 Steve Bartlett

7:05

Steve Bartlett:

At the St. John's International airport, where the temperature is 12 degrees...
Air Canada flight AC648 arriving from Halifax will be delayed until 9:44 a.m.
And Air Canada AC651 won't be leaving for Halifax until 10:05 a.m.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:05 Steve Bartlett

7:07	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram Share you pics with us. Simply include #telynl when tweeting. Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:07 StJohnsTelegram

7:12	Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:12

7:12

Steve Bartlett:

A squirrel broke off a piece of Plexiglass and got into a bird feeder at Windmill Bight. The photo was submitted by Rex Gibbons.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:12 Steve Bartlett

7:15

Steve Bartlett:

A 28-year-old man was detained and had his vehicle impounded after a traffic stop in the central part of St. John's Tuesday.
The Royal Newfoundland Constabulary says the man provided false information to officers.
He was charged with mischief, breach of court orders and several breaches of the Highway Traffic Act.
He presently owes $20,000 in traffic fines.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:15 Steve Bartlett

7:18	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram NunatuKavut council upset by preliminary work at Muskrat Falls bit.ly/SAobyd Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:18 StJohnsTelegram

7:19	Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:19

7:19

Steve Bartlett:

The view from The Telegram/Ches Penney Family Y webcam this morning...

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:19 Steve Bartlett

7:22

Steve Bartlett:

On the front page of sports this morning...
• O'Dell has more to offer — Sophomore forward wants to play a bigger role for 'Caps this season
• Melchiori hopes off-season training will provide edge needed to earn blueline spot
• JOHN BROWNE: A season like no other

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:22 Steve Bartlett

7:26	Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:26

7:26

Steve Bartlett:

IceCaps hold first scrimmage of training camp. Photo by sports editor Robin Short

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:26 Steve Bartlett

7:30

Steve Bartlett:

In our business section today...
• Economy strong, but with constraints: economist
NunatuKavut council challenges Muskrat Falls site work
• Trouble ahead: labour market set for big changes over the next 20 years, report says

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:30 Steve Bartlett

7:33	Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:33

7:33

Steve Bartlett:

Beef cattle in pasture beside XL Foods' Lakeside Packers plant at Brooks, Alberta, Monday. — Photo by The Canadian Press

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:33 Steve Bartlett

7:34

Steve Bartlett:

Saskatchewan checking spike in E. coli cases to see if linked to beef recall
http://bit.ly/T0qz6B

Is this story making you wary about eating beef?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:34 Steve Bartlett

7:34	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram PIC: IceCaps hold first scrimmage of training camp pic.twitter.com/XPlfbF3X Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:34 StJohnsTelegram

7:38	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram On live blog @ 8 am, archeologist Lisa Daly discusses an air tragedy near Stephenville 66 years ago bit.ly/QEq3Wt Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:38 StJohnsTelegram

7:40

Steve Bartlett:

In our feature pages this morning...
• Making the most of time — Baccileu Trail history unveilings to coincide with Julian calender
• Arts bought in hours, not dollars — Timeraiser event supports local artists and charities

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:40 Steve Bartlett

7:41	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram RT @karl_wells: Just tried to make coffee without coffee. Ended up with pot of water. And I soooo didn't want it to be one of "those" days. Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:41 StJohnsTelegram

7:50

Steve Bartlett:

In other news headlines today...
• EI changes discourage people from taking work: MP
• Doctors say baby might not have been shaken
• Mount Pearl residents urged to be patient regarding property assessments
• Designated parking lacking in city: review
• Mount Pearl mayor saddened by attack in city
• Man who beat teenager to be sentenced Thursday
• Jury chosen for accused murderer's trial
• Mothers bring breastfeeding into the open
• Qalipu candidate says voters list should have been ready sooner

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:50 Steve Bartlett

7:52	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram The forgotten crash: Remote memorial to people who died in Stephenville air tragedy in disrepair, group says bit.ly/SCcxlP Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:52 StJohnsTelegram

7:53

Steve Bartlett:

Archeologist Lisa Daly will be joining the conversation in a few minutes to talk about that tragedy, which claimed 39 lives.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:53 Steve Bartlett

7:55

Steve Bartlett:

OK, joining us now is...

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:55 Steve Bartlett

7:56	Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:56

7:56

Steve Bartlett:

Lisa Daly!
Good morning.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:56 Steve Bartlett

7:56

Lisa Daly:

Good morning

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:56 Lisa Daly

7:57

Steve Bartlett:

Thanks for logging on and telling us an air tragedy near Stephenville 66 years ago today.
Why is this disaster important to you?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:57 Steve Bartlett

7:57

Lisa Daly:

It is important because it has been forgotten.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:57 Lisa Daly

7:58

Steve Bartlett:

Can you tell me a little bit about the crash?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:58 Steve Bartlett

7:58

Lisa Daly:

We have a rich aviation history here in Newfoundland and Labrador, and so many tragic, but important moments in that history have been lost over the years, and I would like to see them remembered and memorialized.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:58 Lisa Daly

7:58

Lisa Daly:

Certainly, this was a commercial flight, mostly wives and their children flying overseas to meet their husbands stationed in Germany.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:58 Lisa Daly

7:59

Lisa Daly:

It was diverted to Stephenville airfield due to poor weather in Gander, and upon takeoff to fly overseas, had to change runways.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:59 Lisa Daly

7:59

Steve Bartlett:

Thirty-nine people died in the crash. How were they remembered and how have they been forgotten?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:59 Steve Bartlett

7:59

Lisa Daly:

Moments after takeoff, the aircraft struck the site of a hill, known now as Crash Hill, killing all on board.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 7:59 Lisa Daly

8:00

Lisa Daly:

At first a memorial cemetery was set up at the top of the hill, something that can be seen from the air so the families of the deceased could fly overhead.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:00 Lisa Daly

8:01

Lisa Daly:

But that cemetery has fallen in to disrepair, all of the crosses have fallen down.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:01 Lisa Daly

8:01

Lisa Daly:

in the 1980s, it was fixed up, but again, everything has fallen down and blown away.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:01 Lisa Daly

8:01

Steve Bartlett:

I'm going to post a pic of that now...

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:01 Steve Bartlett

8:01	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:01

8:02

Lisa Daly:

There is no maintenance to the site. And although many people in the area known that there is a plane crash on crash hill, they don't know the tragedy of it or the details of the event.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:02 Lisa Daly

8:02

Steve Bartlett:

So, you hiked to the site this summer. What was that like?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:02 Steve Bartlett

8:02

Lisa Daly:

Difficult.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:02 Lisa Daly

8:02

Lisa Daly:

It is a challenging hike, very steep, and no trail.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:02 Lisa Daly

8:02

Steve Bartlett:

Emotionally? Physically?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:02 Steve Bartlett

8:03

Lisa Daly:

Physically, and all of the crash sites I have worked on are emotionally difficult. Any where people died in the accident.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:03 Lisa Daly

8:03

Steve Bartlett:

What do you find at the site?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:03 Steve Bartlett

8:03

Lisa Daly:

This one is particularly emotionally difficult knowing that they were civilians and many of them children.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:03 Lisa Daly

8:04

Lisa Daly:

We found most of the aircraft. It is under a lot of loose debris because they dynamited the site to try to cover the aircraft. But we found large pieces of the wings and fuselage, most of the engines, and rare finds like the co-pilot's control panel and navigational equipment.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:04 Lisa Daly

8:05

Lisa Daly:

Later, Dave Hebbard and Don Cormier revisited the site and found where they had buried the bodies of those who died in the crash.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:05 Lisa Daly

8:05

Steve Bartlett:

Can you describe the state of the memorial site?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:05 Steve Bartlett

8:06

Lisa Daly:

I, personally, have not been to the memorial site, but I have been shown pictures taken by Dave Hebbard.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:06 Lisa Daly

8:06

Lisa Daly:

The large monument (that was flown in days after the crash) is still there.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:06 Lisa Daly

8:06

Steve Bartlett:

So it's in disrepair. What would you like to see done about it?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:06 Steve Bartlett

8:06

Lisa Daly:

But the crosses, each of which carried the name of a victim, have fallen over and some of the name plates have been lost.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:06 Lisa Daly

8:07	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:07

8:07

Lisa Daly:

I would like to see if repaired, and see if there is some way to arrange to have it cared for.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:07 Lisa Daly

8:07

Lisa Daly:

Going to the example in Gander of the Sabena crash, the site of that crash is well cared for and maintained. It would be nice to arrange something similar in Stephenville.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:07 Lisa Daly

8:08

Steve Bartlett:

Who is the right organization to take that on? Will you be approaching them?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:08 Steve Bartlett

8:08

Lisa Daly:

Myself and Dave have been talking to Don Cormier and some of his colleagues, and I believe they would be the right place to start about maintaining the site.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:08 Lisa Daly

8:09

Lisa Daly:

The problem we have is trying to find some way to repair the site. So I am looking in to who I would contact about that to try to arrange for funds to fix up the site.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:09 Lisa Daly

8:09

Lisa Daly:

So once I know the right organization, I will be approaching them about this site.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:09 Lisa Daly

8:09

Steve Bartlett:

Might there be any interest in the States, since it the passengers and airline were Americans?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:09 Steve Bartlett

8:10

Lisa Daly:

There is an interest in the States. Almost everyone on the flight was from New York, and Dave has been in touch with the New York Times who would like to run a piece on this story as well.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:10 Lisa Daly

8:10	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:10

8:11

Steve Bartlett:

Can you tell me a little more about your group, the Historic Aviation Committee?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:11 Steve Bartlett

8:12

Lisa Daly:

We are a group of aviation enthusiasts from varying backgrounds (archaeology, photography, history, aviation), whose goal is to discover, record and share the aviation history of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:12 Lisa Daly

8:12	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:12

8:13

Steve Bartlett:

What other kinds of things are you currently working on?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:13 Steve Bartlett

8:13

Lisa Daly:

As a group, we have been involved in a number of archaeological investigations and recoveries around the province, such as in Goose Bay, a number of sites in Gander, and this one in Stephenville.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:13 Lisa Daly

8:13

Lisa Daly:

But currently I, as part of the group, am finishing up my thesis about a number of WWII crashes in Gander.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:13 Lisa Daly

8:14

Lisa Daly:

And as a group we are working on this Stephenville site and on a documentary about the Hindenburg over Newfoundland.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:14 Lisa Daly

8:14

Steve Bartlett:

Were there a lot of crashes on the island?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:14 Steve Bartlett

8:15

Lisa Daly:

There are. Especially World War II era crashes. Almost all aircraft that flew overseas during the war stopped to refuel in Newfoundland or Labrador.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:15 Lisa Daly

8:15

Lisa Daly:

So with thousands of aircraft flying through, there were accidents, and many of them were in remote locations, so the remains of the aircraft are still there.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:15 Lisa Daly

8:16

Steve Bartlett:

And this one in Stephenville was, at the time, the worst in commercial aviation history. Why has it been all-but forgotten?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:16 Steve Bartlett

8:17

Lisa Daly:

It is interesting that this one has been forgotten when the Sabena in Gander is very much remembered. They happened at about the same time (the Sabena just weeks before this one), but in this case, everyone died. There was no dramatic rescue that lasted weeks. There were a couple of newspaper articles and then the site was forgotten.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:17 Lisa Daly

8:17

Lisa Daly:

Except by those who worked on it.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:17 Lisa Daly

8:17	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:17

8:18

Lisa Daly:

It was a difficult job for the recovery teams, and many of the men who helped recover and bury the bodies never spoke of the incident.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:18 Lisa Daly

8:18

Steve Bartlett:

A powerful story. Thanks for sharing with us this morning, Lisa. Keep us posted on your progress in getting the site maintained. Have a good day.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:18 Steve Bartlett

8:19

Lisa Daly:

Thank you for having me, and you have a good day as well.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:19 Lisa Daly

8:20

Steve Bartlett:

The story of the Forgotten Crash is on our website and front page today. Within the next hour, we'll be posting a trailer to a documentary as well as a slide show.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:20 Steve Bartlett

8:21	Andrew Day @Andrew_Day1982 Moose lights flashing. I see no moose #nltraffic pic.twitter.com/CKpp5D98 Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:21 Andrew_Day1982

8:23	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram Sophomore forward O'Dell wants to play a bigger role for ‘Caps this seasonhttp://bit.ly/UFb4wZ Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:23 StJohnsTelegram

8:25

Steve Bartlett:

In other sports headlines today...
• New coach, same attitude — Holy Cross, with Paul Mullett calling the shots, looks to medal at nationals
• Age-group national soccer championships begin today

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:25 Steve Bartlett

8:29	FCM @FCM_online 1/4 of wastewater treatment plants in #Canada must be rebuilt/replaced to meet new federal regs. bit.ly/PefHxI #CDNpoli #Target2014 Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:29 FCM_online

8:33	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:33

8:33	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram NunatuKavut council challenges Muskrat Falls site work bit.ly/VtoLT1 Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:33 StJohnsTelegram

8:34	Samm Joyy @hopeawaiting Major traffic back up on the ORR westbound and eastbound, it's a parking lot #nltraffic #telynl Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:34 hopeawaiting

8:35

Steve Bartlett:

Well, yesterday the NunatuKavut council said it was upset by preliminary work at Muskrat Falls.
Joining me to discuss that story is reporter Ashley Fitzpatrick.
Good morning.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:35 Steve Bartlett

8:35	Samm Joyy @hopeawaiting It's rush hour, construction should not be allowed to go ahead until after 9:30 am #nltraffic #telynl #annoyed Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:35 hopeawaiting

8:35

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

Hello all. Any questions out there?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:35 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:35

Steve Bartlett:

Why is the NunatuKavut council upset?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:35 Steve Bartlett

8:36

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

The NuntuKavut council has been filing objections to the Muskrat Falls development for some time now (right back to the joint review panel and earlier). They feel their concerns are not being addressed.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:36 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:37

Steve Bartlett:

And what does Nalcor say?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:37 Steve Bartlett

8:37	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram @TeleFitz is live at bit.ly/QEq3Wt discussing the NunatuKavut' council's concerns Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:37 StJohnsTelegram

8:38

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

Nalcor says the proper permits have been obtained and procedures followed. In fact, there's no evidence that shows they haven't done just that. NunatuKavut has pointed to some potential violations of the Fisheries Act, etc, but none of that has been proven at this point.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:38 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:38

Steve Bartlett:

So NunatuKavut council sent out some pics yesterday to show how much development has taken place. Was that shocking or new to people following this story?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:38 Steve Bartlett

8:39	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:39

8:39

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

If this is the first time you have seen any of the construction, particularly if you are from the HVGB area, it might have been a surprise. But overall, considering the photos made available following the media tour of the site, it shouldn't really have been a shock.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:39 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:41

Steve Bartlett:

So where do you think this story is going?

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:41 Steve Bartlett

8:44

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

If NunatuKavut files a legal objection to the work at the site, or if they take action on their allegations of violations of Acts- this goes into the legal world. That said, Nalcor is moving ahead and not much more work left to do at the site before decision time for the province...

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:44 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:44

Ashley Fitzpatrick:

Id say it's not going away. I think we can say that.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:44 Ashley Fitzpatrick

8:45

Steve Bartlett:

Something to watch for sure. Thanks for telling us about it. Have a good one.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:45 Steve Bartlett

8:47	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:47

8:47

Steve Bartlett:

Art bought in hours, not dollars — Timeraiser event support local artists and charities http://bit.ly/O4Gsqk

(Pictured) Sylvie Bendsza’s “The Neighbourhood” is one of the pieces of art that will be up for bids at the Timeraiser event at Dusk Ultralounge in St. John’s Thursday evening. — Submitted photo

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:47 Steve Bartlett

8:49	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:49

8:49

Steve Bartlett:

Traffic backed up heading east on Topsail Road in Paradise this morning.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:49 Steve Bartlett

8:49	Derek Whitmore @dwhitmore21 Day 3 of @IceCapsAHL training camp! Team white big win yesterday. One more tune up before we play Syracuse tomorrow! #ItsComing Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:49 dwhitmore21

8:52

Steve Bartlett:

A couple of events our newsroom is tracking today...
• Premier Kathy Dunderdale's speech to the St. John's Board of Trade
• The Seniors of Distinction Awards

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:52 Steve Bartlett

8:54	Tely Newfoundland @StJohnsTelegram Making the most of time — Baccileu Trail history unveilings to coincide with Julian calendar bit.ly/SoCuLF Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:54 StJohnsTelegram

8:55	Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:55

8:58

Steve Bartlett:

Here's the map accompanying the story on the Baccalieu Trail story...
The caption: John Guy's expedition left Cupids Oct. 7 and anchored off the deserted pirate fort in Harbour Grace. The Baccalieu Trail Heritage Corp. will unveil history boards in 10 of the communities where Guy stopped on his 1612 voyage in search of the Beothuck.

Wednesday October 3, 2012 8:58 Steve Bartlett