Democratic California Debate

(01/31/2008)

5:00

Here we go. Debate should be starting soon. CNN is telling us to watch for who does the best job of pandering to the Edwards supporters. Sounds like a good thing to watch for...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:00

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Wolf Blitzer is hosting.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:01

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And there are no rules—or, at least, very few rules. The candidates can talk for as long as they want (within reason) and the debate lasts for 90 minutes.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:02

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

fuck. it's blitzer, why can't we have anderson cooper like the Republicans got last night?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:02 ghostlawns

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Hillary 's outfit is very sharp

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:03 blaire

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[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

Next to that lady moderator, yeah. It's like they brought the ugly friend along.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:04 johnnie

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

why is everyone clapping so hard? did they just cure cancer onstage ahead of the debate?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:04 josh

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David Schmader: I'm in the same room as Eli as he live-slogs. If anyone does anything particularly hilarious, I may comment, but will always preface with my name.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:04

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A lot being made of the fact that this is the first time we've had and African-American man and a woman as the only two people on the stage debating in a contest for the Democratic nomination.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:04

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

i read at tpm.com that tickets to this debate were going for $1000 just now

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:04 ghostlawns

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I just asked Schmader if he knows where his caucus site is. His boyfriend gave a look and said, "Don't talk to my boyfriend like that!"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:05

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

for once, more moderators onstage than candidates. historic for 2008

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:05 josh

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

I wonder what would happen if Clinton and Obama started using more progressive rhetoric, would the MSM blackout them, as well.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:05 Guest

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We begin with opening statements.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:05

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David Schmader: Obama invokes Edwards first! Finders keepers!

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Pandering for Edwards voters begins... NOW.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:06 Big Sven

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[Comment From Original MonqiqueOriginal Monqique: ]

I hope Obama acknowleges the Stranger endorsement

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:06 Original Monqique

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Obama puts the number of debates so far at 17. Good God.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:06

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Obama says he was friends with Hillary Clinton before this contest started, and he intends to be friends with her after this is over. She smiles warmly and nods her head.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07

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[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

hillary has her 'shut up' smile on.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 jayme

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

And Hillary looks at Obama like she wants to rip his head off

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 blaire

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[Comment From timtim: ]

Edwards may get more air time this debate than any of those he appeared in...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 tim

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

did the set designers not know that edwards wouldn't be in the race?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 josh

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[Comment From Original MonqiqueOriginal Monqique: ]

They are playing nice nice. Isn't that cute.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 Original Monqique

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[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Obama and Clinton should host The View.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07 Katelyn

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And now Obama is into his stump speech about healing old divisions, and about this being not about the past (Clinton) but the future (him).

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:07

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

She's not giving the death smile. That will come later.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:08 Big Sven

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[Comment From BontBont: ]

Not too fond of Obama's tie. What is that? Lilac? Lavender?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:08 Bont

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Obama usually switches back and forth between blue and red ties. Tonight in California he's wearing... light purple.

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David Schmader: I'll admit it: I love Hillary.

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

that is the tie of a uniter.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:08 josh

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[Comment From Original MonqiqueOriginal Monqique: ]

Hllary's blue necklace is darling

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 Original Monqique

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Clinton gets a chance to make an opening statement. She leans forward over her desk, doesn't engage Obama at all, and starts speaking directly to the crowd (and the television audience).

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

david- hillary needs to get laid.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 ghostlawns

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David Schmader: I don't love her that much.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09

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[Comment From JaredJared: ]

Purple is a very democratic color. The blues and the reds together, blended, into one... tie

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 Jared

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

I love her necklace. They remind me of Pelosi's pearls

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 blaire

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[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

And Hillary loves you too, David. Or your checkbook. Now stop trying to get in the military and forget calling it "marriage."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 Andy Niable

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

"Failed administration." Short but has a nice ring.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 Big Sven

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Clinton: "It is imperative that we have a president, starting on Day One, who can begin to solve these challenges..."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09

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[Comment From DansaysDansays: ]

when do they start making out?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:09 Dansays

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She, too, makes a pitch for Edwards supporters.

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

hillary: america's fucked.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:10 josh

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Ut oh, Obama's writing shit down...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:10 Big Sven

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David Schmader: Wait—Americans have minds?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:10

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[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

If only Hillary were better at staying on message...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:10 adjohnson

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And Hillary ends saying, "there isn't anything we can't do if we put our minds to it." Which is a swipe back at Obama's suggestion that she is somehow against hope and optimism.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:10

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David Schmader: Round One: Hillary.

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

obama has already won on the accessories front

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11 Guest

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

Hillary, wisely, is showing her real strengths in her opening remarks.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11 Jonathan Golob

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First question to Clinton: What, exactly, are the policy differences between her and Obama?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11

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[Comment From Justin JJustin J: ]

Obama Pres, Clinton VP

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11 Justin J

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[Comment From Justin JJustin J: ]

or Clinton Pres, Obama VP

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11 Justin J

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Clinton starts off with healthcare: Says universal healthcare is "a moral responsibility," and that she has the plan that's most similar to that of Edwards.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:11

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[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

I can't see Clinton ever taking VP. That would pretty much be an insult.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:12 Katelyn

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[Comment From JessPJessP: ]

they seem very chummy right now

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:12 JessP

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Talks about the moratorium on home foreclosures that she's pushing, and her plan to freeze interest rates for five years.

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David Schmader: Ed Helms looks really constipated.

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[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

CNN's stupid 'people meter' is showing Hill's speech steadily in the 90% range. O was in the 70's, but they test subjects might have just been figuring out how to use their buttons

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:12 johnnie

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Can annie and ECB do a series on health care re: what the plans actually are?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:12 Big Sven

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On foreign affiars, says we need to be both realistic and optimistic.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:12

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[Comment From jdjd: ]

you just just feel the tension - fireworks are coming

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:13 jd

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David Schmader: I repeat: I heart Hillary.

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And says she doesn't think the president should be offering to meet without preconditions in his (or her) first year with "five of the worst leaders in the world." A swipe at Obama being willing to talk to Ahmadinejad et al.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:13

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

The Clinton healthcare plan is too much like the Romney plan. Obama should mention that.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:13 ghostlawns

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Obama now talks about differences.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:14

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[Comment From credocredo: ]

Did Hillary just suggest a 5 year freeze on interest rates? That would ruin our economy.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:14 credo

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

Hillary confirms one fact in the debates: she's an order of magnitude better when she's away from Bill. Less shrill, smarter. She really shines out of his shadow.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:14 Jonathan Golob

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David Schmader: Golob: Agreed.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:14

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[Comment From el ganadorel ganador: ]

you know, I heart obama, but every time I see her debate I think "would Hill really be so bad?" Maybe I can get to like her....

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:14 el ganador

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David Schmader: El Ganador: Agreed.

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Obama says his view is that providing subsidies to people who can't afford healthcare will get them enrolled, and that Clinton's policy is to use mandates.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:15

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Speaking as both a WJC and HRC supporter: Bill should shut the fuck up and stick to the Clinton Foundation

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:15 Big Sven

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This is the "mandates" debate that we've been seeing for a long time.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:15

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

mandates suck. why fine someone who doesn't want to buy insurance?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:15 ghostlawns

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[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

King5's got the Republican debate replaying, with flashes from the State of the Union... interesting juxtaposition

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:15 Katelyn

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[Comment From kerri harropkerri harrop: ]

So civil to each other right now...there should be a pool going on when this shit is gonna pop off. You know it's coming.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16 kerri harrop

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

Bill should be the ambassador to the UN.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16 taz

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On the mortgage crisis, Obama talks about his home mortgage prevention fund. Says he doesn't support an interest rate freeze (on existing mortgages) because it would hurt people who are currently looking for mortgages.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16

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[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

as hillary shoots the look of death, obama gets the first bit of applause

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16 jayme

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Blames the mortgage mess on the Bush administration—like Clinton.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16

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[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

Saw Obama speak in Denver yesterday--his stump's gotten much more aggressive. Once they warm up I'll bet this debate gets there (thus the disclaimer in the intro)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16 adjohnson

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

They really should be blaming China. Seriously.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:16 Ari

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[Comment From el ganadorel ganador: ]

Is it wrong that the biggest reason I don't want them together on the ticket is the inevitable landslide of "driving Miss Daisy" cartoons we'd see?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17 el ganador

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Obama says another difference is that he feels it's important to reduce the influence of lobbyists and special interests in Washington. (Suggestion is that she doesn't. Clinton will certainly hit back at this.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17

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David Schmader: Zing.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

TTTHHHERRREESSSS the death stare...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17 Big Sven

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And final difference: Obama says he was opposed to the war in Iraq from the start.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Is anyone tallying the applause counts so far? Obama seems to have gotten more thus far.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17 blaire

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[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Wolf should ask them: Would Ronald Reagan endorse you for president?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17 Katelyn

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

....annnnnd now she's writing too...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:17 Big Sven

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Clinton is taking some serious notes on this.

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Next question is on healthcare.

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Everyone wants full coverage, but Obama's plan is voluntary and would leave about 15 million people uncovered.

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Obama says, "Everyone who wants healthcare will be able to get healthcare under our plan."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

I can't wait until they start talking about John McCain

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19 ghostlawns

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

Sometimes I wish this race was Nancy Reagan vs. Al Sharpton. Now THAT'S entertainment!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19 Ari

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[Comment From bradbrad: ]

Obama is hitting this "difference between you" question out of the park...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19 brad

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[Comment From DOUG.DOUG.: ]

Kucinich has the only health care plan that differs in any meaningful aspect from our current crappy system.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19 DOUG.

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[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary has a GIANT pen. Anybody else notice that?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:19 Archie

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David Schmader: Freud would have a field day.

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And he disputes the 15 million people number. And he mandates coverage for all children. And he says that young people can be covered under their parents' plans.

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Clinton is back to taking notes, looks ready to pounce on this one.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:20

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

I can't believe that Obama won't admit that his health care plan is just a little bit stupid. It makes me question every other one of his positions.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:20 josh

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[Comment From JessPJessP: ]

I like the higher age limit for children to be covered by parent's plans, good idea.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:20 JessP

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David Schmader: Her forehead is indeed a Botox miracle.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21

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Clinton says, "this is the passionate cause of my public service." Brings up her past efforts on health care. (Is that really a smart thing for her to bring up?)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

Forcing people to buy shitting insurance makes the situation worse, like forcing people to ride the SLUT to work every day.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21 Jonathan Golob

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

As much as I would like to see universal health care, I think Obama's plan is more likely to get Republicans to play along.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21 blaire

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

obama should mention that he is currently co-sponsoring the indian health care improvement act

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21 Guest

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

If kids are going to college, they should still be covered under parents plan.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21 taz

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[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

Obama should draw a connection between Hill's healthcare plan and no child left behind--high standards without full support from the federal government

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:21 adjohnson

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Clinton says that, "contrary to the description that Barack just gave," she will make healthcare affordable for everyone—and cover them with the Congressional healthcare plan.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

I wish i had shitting insurance! Man, I could eat whatever I want!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 Ari

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[Comment From Justin JJustin J: ]

They both use their hands a lot.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 Justin J

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Eli, I think bringing up her healthcare failure makes her appear more human

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 Big Sven

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[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary really shouldn't be touting her "life-long" commitment to health-care after the fiasco during Bill's administration.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 Archie

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[Comment From JasonJason: ]

Hillary talks policy far better than Obama.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 Jason

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[Comment From alsoalso: ]

Wow, she really comes across as more sane and reasonable than Bill does these days

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 also

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[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

nobody in the audience is applauding her.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22 ghostlawns

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David Schmader: Now they are.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:22

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Clinton says that Obama is, in fact, in favor of mandates—he mandates that parents should be required to get healthcare for their children.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:23

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

She really does make a good case for herself... in the Senate. She's still not selling herself as president with the deep wonkiness here.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:23 Jonathan Golob

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And, Clinton says: "If you don't start by saying you're for universal healthcare, you will be nibbled to death."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:24

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[Comment From UCUC: ]

she's getting way higher "reactions" or whatever than Barack did on cnn.com's site

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:24 UC

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[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Premium caps is not real universal healthcare. We need what Canada has.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Archie

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We are way down in the weeds now, talking about subsidies and caps on premiums.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

Tons of points for using the word "nibble."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Ari

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[Comment From GoshGosh: ]

It's true, I didn't start saying that and I DID get nibbled to death!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Gosh

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[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

in the edwards invocation count: obama-1 clinton-3

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 blue22

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[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Nibbled to death by the Democrats... tolerated by the Republicans

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Katelyn

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I'm sorry to be pessimistic, but I don't think most people watching can follow this. I think they're more likely analyzing the non-literal content.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25

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[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

I like her reasoning for mandates - which is basicallly "because the Rs will nibble tthe plan to a minimum."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 NaFun

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[Comment From angelfishangelfish: ]

is it just me or do men's legs look really stupid when they sit at desks?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 angelfish

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[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Ooh numbering points, Obama. A little amateurish...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Archie

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

Egads. They're both so good! So ready to lead the country, unlike the R's. I keep feeling like I'm going to wake up, and find Kerry as the D nominee again.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:25 Jonathan Golob

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And that is: Clinton and Obama both being very cordial toward each other, both seeming very much in command of the issues, both seeming, in the end, very close on policy matters (despite what they contend).

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26

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[Comment From PhilPhil: ]

How does he intend to do this? It's maddening to hear this cap promise and not have any idea how he is going to do it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 Phil

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Did Obama just say that you don't have to do his plan but if you get sick you can just pay back premiums? Doesn't that just make everyone skip getting the insurance in the first place?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 Big Sven

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[Comment From OrganLeroyOrganLeroy: ]

Debating the minutia of health care plans at this stage of the campaign is beyond silly.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 OrganLeroy

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[Comment From alsoalso: ]

agreed. Both of them are using far too lengthy sentences with multiple embedded clauses that swerve from personal opinion to statistics to policy. Ouch.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 also

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

the problem with Hillary's plan is that it's reliant on mechanisms that are much more easily nibbled by future budgets

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 Guest

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[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

Obama really has to see a speech therapist about those mumbles and stutters

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:26 johnnie

5:27

[Comment From Kevin EricksonKevin Erickson: ]

I am struck by how far the health care debate has moved leftward. Thanks, Michael Moore!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:27 Kevin Erickson

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[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Yes, but if Obama speaks simply, then, he gets called "general" and "not specific."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:27 Andy Niable

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[Comment From alsoalso: ]

johnnie: yeah, pretty much everyone agrees Obama is a terrible public speaker. Er...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:27 also

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

CSPAN is an applause line now? Maybe this crowd is wonky enough to follow the details.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:27 josh

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Blitzer asks if Obama's plan to broadcast healthcare negotiations on CPAN is a swipe at Clinton (who famously, and disastrously, conducted her healtchcare planning behind closed doors). He says no. She smiles and nods her head yes.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:27

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[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

blitzer is trying to stir up trouble. can't they just move on to another topic instead?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:28 jayme

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Obama speaks better in monologue than in debates

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:28 Big Sven

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

I really want to hear more about China. Seriously. CHINAAAAAA!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:28 Ari

5:28

Back to Clinton who plugs the Children's Health Insurance Program, which she helped institute. In every recent debate, she's had at her finger tips the number of children covered under that program in whatever state she's in.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:28

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[Comment From PhilPhil: ]

I want them both!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:28 Phil

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

Yeah, I am sick of the fighting. I want to know how they are going to get us out of this mess!!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:29 taz

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[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

As much as I hoped for a fight, I really appreciate a substantive debate like this.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:29 blaire

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I agree, kind of, with Ari (above). I want to hear a debate on foreign affairs. That's where their differences are most stark, not on healthcare—which we've been hearing about for almost a half hour now.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:29

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[Comment From joshjosh: ]

great point about government research funding helping drug companies.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:30 josh

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[Comment From alsoalso: ]

interesting that *she's* bringing up her previous plan

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:30 also

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[Comment From JasonJason: ]

I want podiums again.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:30 Jason

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[Comment From UCUC: ]

she's getting positive reactions in the 80s now... cnn should really tell me what these numbers mean

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:30 UC

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The people in this audience are much better dressed than the audience in S.C. Just sayin.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:30

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(We're in LA for this one.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:31

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[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

BAM

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:31 b-wilson

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[Comment From evabeefevabeef: ]

I really wish there was some discussion about how their plans would effect doctors and hospitals -- will I get more than 10 minutes with my doctor?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:31 evabeef

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New question: Obama is asked how he is going to respond to Republican attacks that he's a "tax and spend" liberal.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:31

5:31

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

OBAMA SLAM

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:31 Archie

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Obama says he's happy to have that discussion, because Republicans aren't on very steady ground these days talking about fiscal responsibility.

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Then smacks McCain for flip-flopping on the Bush tax cuts.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:32

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Obama gets points for hitting McCain early. Big points.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:32 Big Sven

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[Comment From AriAri: ]

REPUBLICAN DEATH STAR SLAM

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:32 Ari

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Obama has his aggressive tone back now, and I think we're seeing his strategy for this debate.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:32

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Which is: Show his toughness when talking about the Republicans, take them on in harsh language, and be much softer when debating with Clinton.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:33

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[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

It's good to see them focusing on how they will deal with the Republicans. I think at this point that's really what a lot of people are most concerned about - their ability to win against the red menace

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:33 johnnie

5:33

Jason Alexander is in the house.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:33

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[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

It's important for him to show he *can* be aggressive, in the right context.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:33 Jonathan Golob

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

They really need to talk about how they will get us out of this mess and nail home how bad the current administration is responsible for it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:33 taz

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(But I had to be told who he was. Thanks Schmader.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34

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[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

Calling on Warren Bufffett is smart - he was Ahnold's econ advisor

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34 NaFun

5:34

[Comment From JessPJessP: ]

The cutaways to hollywoo "stars" is doing nothing for me.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34 JessP

5:34

[Comment From OrganLeroyOrganLeroy: ]

George Costanza spotting!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34 OrganLeroy

5:34

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

finally a definition for the term "middle class"—under 75,000

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34 Archie

5:34

[Comment From EdEd: ]

Interesting - Buffet gave them both the max in the primaries and hosted fund raisers for both

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34 Ed

5:34

Clinton is asked: Are you going to pay for your health care plan by taxing the rich?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34

5:34

She doesn't say yes, but she says she'll get a lot of the money from repealing the Bush tax breaks. So: Yes.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:34

5:35

[Comment From NikkyNikky: ]

Hillary is acting a bit flustered at times when questioned.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 Nikky

5:35

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

"was I not supposed to invade Iraq? Was that wrong?"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 Guest

5:35

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Is Obama using the "presumptive candidate" approach? Are they both? Are they assuming not just that one of them will be the candidate, but that they will be the ticket in one order or the other? That's what it sounds like to me.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 Big Sven

5:35

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

ugh, she just said she's counting on her plan being funded by "efficiencies" rather than actual money? ouch.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 also

5:35

[Comment From BontBont: ]

Didn't like how Hillary stammered a bit to begin her bit just now

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 Bont

5:35

[Comment From SpokavegasSpokavegas: ]

She's kind of dancing around the question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 Spokavegas

5:35

[Comment From JessPJessP: ]

Hillary uses numbered lists too -- just pointing that out

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:35 JessP

5:36

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

Nice. Hillary wavers at committing to taxing the rich to cover health care. She doesn't want to kick the Special Interest Groups that are funding her campaign

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 Obvious Guy

5:36

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary choses to talk about specific numbers. I think that will have a lasting effect on those not really following the actual specifics of the debate. "OOH she uses numbers! She really knows this stuff!"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 Archie

5:36

[Comment From evabeefevabeef: ]

Obama mentions teachers -- I really want to hear some talk about education. How are we going to deal with the children left behind?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 evabeef

5:36

[Comment From EdEd: ]

Haha - bashing the Rand Corp. Always a good thing.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 Ed

5:36

Clinton is in wonk mode and Washington insider mode, talking about electronic medical records, touting her time working with Newt Gingrich, dropping the name of the RAND Corportation.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36

5:36

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Does Hillary have the word "mistake" in her vocabulary?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 Andy Niable

5:36

[Comment From JaredJared: ]

Wolf really needs to get a backbone and cut them off

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 Jared

5:36

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

oh no, Hiliary, stop it. Stop with the "if we could fix things we haven't been able to fix, everything would fix itself"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36 also

5:36

New subject. (Thank God.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:36

5:37

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

eli, you spoke too soon.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:37 jayme

5:37

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

If Hillary wins, will the Stranger start a betting pool on How Soon Before Queers Are Thrown Under The Bus? ( Bill did it even before Inauguration with Don't Ask/Tell/Pursue.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:37 Andy Niable

5:37

[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

HRC reminds me too much of Jimmy Carter.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:37 Jonathan Golob

5:37

I did speak too soon. Still on healthcare.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:37

5:38

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Tonight's the first night that I could see Hillary accepting the VP nod if Obama wins. Will this bipartisanship last another hour and 23 minutes?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:38 Big Sven

5:38

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

they actually look like partners here.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:38 ghostlawns

5:38

Ok, on to immigration.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:38

5:38

[Comment From JakeJake: ]

"We LOVE latinos!"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:38 Jake

5:38

[Comment From Jonathan GolobJonathan Golob: ]

Deciding between these two is a bit like deciding which is cuter, puppies or kittens. Puppies? Kittens?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:38 Jonathan Golob

5:39

Question: Can they acknowledge (and address) the negative impact of immigration on the African-American community?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39

5:39

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

golob: kittens, obviously. Duh.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39 also

5:39

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Puppies!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39 Big Sven

5:39

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

No, Eli, they can't. That's political nitro-glycerin.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39 Andy Niable

5:39

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Obama's turn to tout his history. Except his history is successful...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39 Archie

5:39

Obama gets the question, and bear in mind here that in his recent MLK Day address, he reminded his African-American audience that there is too much fear in the Af-Am community about immigrants taking their jobs.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39

5:39

[Comment From BrianBrian: ]

Is this question part of HRC's plan to pit blacks and mexicans against each other?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:39 Brian

5:40

And, I didn't think he would do this, but on national TV he just said that this worry amounts to "scapegoating."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:40

5:40

And gets applause.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:40

5:40

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

good call on the scapegoating

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:40 b-wilson

5:40

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

why do we have to seperate this into a black question? Can we ask a white question and not get accused of race baiting?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:40 Obvious Guy

5:41

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

Kudos to Obama for speaking unpopular truths.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 Kevin

5:41

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

i love it when Hillary nods when Obama talks.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 ghostlawns

5:41

[Comment From left coastleft coast: ]

Was that a write in question from Lou Dobbs?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 left coast

5:41

[Comment From kellykelly: ]

here's what i love about obama. he is willing to actually SAY IT.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 kelly

5:41

Blames the economic problems of this country—for blacks, Latinos, everyone—on Republican and Bush, not immigrants. "We should not use immigration as a tactic to divide, we should bring people together to get this country back on track."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41

5:41

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Obama is smart to point out that the current administration has hurt the economy much more than immigrants.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 Archie

5:41

[Comment From Mike of RentonMike of Renton: ]

Great answer

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 Mike of Renton

5:41

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

That is a real example of exactly how you bring people together.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:41 Kevin

5:42

Clinton seems to say, contra Obama, that yes, there are job losses because of employers exploiting cheap illegal immigrant labor.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:42

5:42

And she speaks of meeting an Af-Am man recently who experienced this very phenomenon.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:42

5:42

[Comment From taztaz: ]

It is a sad day, that we have a profound historical event in american history, where an african american or a woman could be the next president, but we have bigger fish to fry.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:42 taz

5:42

Gets a few applause.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:42

5:43

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

I'm voting for a guy that calls it like it is and has the balls to be honest on live national television

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 Obvious Guy

5:43

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

talk about appealing to Rs - wow Good job Hill

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 NaFun

5:43

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Clinton blames employers who game the system w/ undocumented workers. Excellent.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 Big Sven

5:43

[Comment From JaredJared: ]

Why can't she say illegally?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 Jared

5:43

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary: I know African Americans, too!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 Archie

5:43

Interesting strategy here by Clinton: She's on the side of Af-Am voters who feel like immigrants are taking their jobs, Obama says these Af-Ams are just paranoid and engaging in "scapegoating."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43

5:43

[Comment From elenchoselenchos: ]

She's courageiously bashing immigrants.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 elenchos

5:43

[Comment From left coastleft coast: ]

This is why she's a bad candidate. This is a RNC sucker question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 left coast

5:43

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

This won't make her popular with Hispanics. I find that refreshingly un-pandering. (Is that a word?)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:43 Kevin

5:44

[Comment From NikkyNikky: ]

Is she channeling Lou Dobbs?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 Nikky

5:44

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

she's not even answering her question!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 blue22

5:44

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

elenchos, she's not. She's blaming the bosses.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 Big Sven

5:44

Who's Kim? Did I miss something? What's Clinton talking about?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44

5:44

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

Yes Hispanics is a word. We tend to call them illegals though across the board... rolls off the tongue much better

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 Obvious Guy

5:44

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

oh, just say "amnesty". We're all adults, and many of us realize it's a reasonable policy.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 also

5:44

[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

Is she going to remember the original question?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:44 Todd

5:45

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

i think her answer was technically more correct. she wasn't bashing anyone, other than those that exploit undocumented workers.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45 Guest

5:45

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Kim asked the question, I think

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45 Archie

5:45

Oh, she's the questioner. But man, at that point in her (long) answer, I'd forgotten.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45

5:45

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary's being slimy in talking straight to this "Kim"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45 Archie

5:45

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

they'll drive anyway, at least teach them what the different lines and colors mean.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45 b-wilson

5:45

Back to Obama, and again he takes a dig at McCain. Says he's worked with McCain on immigration, "though he may not admit it now."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:45

5:46

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

what? obama supports licenses for illegal immigrants now? and hillary doesn't? when did that happen?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:46 josh

5:46

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Face it--America always needs a boogie-man, a scary "other" against which to rally. It's our history. Obama's trying to move us beyond that.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:46 Andy Niable

5:46

Obama is back to the high road: "The problems workers are experiencing are not primarily caused by immigration."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:46

5:47

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Wolf really wants a fight. It's kinda shameful how he's baiting Obama.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 Archie

5:47

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

blitzer is an ass.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 jayme

5:47

[Comment From GabeGabe: ]

don't we already have a scary other in terrorists?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 Gabe

5:47

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

Thank you, Senator Obama. Don't take the bait. The high road IS the right road.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 Kevin

5:47

Wolf is pushing Obama to take on Clinton more directly, Obama doesn't take the bait.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47

5:47

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Obama's calling out Blitzer. Good for him. Asshat Blitzer.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 Archie

5:47

[Comment From GabeGabe: ]

Blitzer has no control over the volume of his voice...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:47 Gabe

5:48

[Comment From natalienatalie: ]

If only anderson cooper was here to be all dreamy and non-confrontational...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48 natalie

5:48

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

I love that Obama's all- you're trying to start something and then he's all "But- and this isn't directed directly at you, Honey" and SUCK IT

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48 Sara

5:48

Question: Was Clinton AWOL on comprehensive immigration reform?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48

5:48

[Comment From jacksonjackson: ]

Obama is really winning this part of the debate, not only for saying truth, but for not taking Blitzer's debate

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48 jackson

5:48

Clinton: I cosponsored comprehensive immigration reform before Obama was even in the senate.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48

5:48

David Schmader: Name-dropping Jesus! It's ON!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:48

5:49

Clinton comes out forcefully for the Good Samaritan AND Jesus Christ.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49

5:49

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Blitzer is Hillarian, Anderson is Obaman (style wise).

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49 Andy Niable

5:49

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

poor anderson had to sit and listen to the gay-hating republicans last night. they should've swapped hosts.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49 jayme

5:49

Can't lose with that one. (She was talking about a "mean-spirited" Republican bill that would have criminalized giving any help, even a glass of water, to an illegal immigrant.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49

5:49

[Comment From neo-realistneo-realist: ]

I'm glad that Obama is throwing some shots at McCain. He's going to be the Repubs guy and we need to really expose him for the maverick fraud that he is in the general election.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49 neo-realist

5:49

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary seems to realize she's slipping. So she brings in Jesus to help out.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:49 Archie

5:50

[Comment From GabeGabe: ]

Hillary: against arresting jesus. way to go

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Gabe

5:50

David Schmader: Gabe: Har!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50

5:50

[Comment From Mike of RentonMike of Renton: ]

She's getting really loud now.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Mike of Renton

5:50

Ok, and we're back to the drivers license issue.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50

5:50

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

Hillary is really getting desperate. I can't even follow her message. What is she really saying?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Obvious Guy

5:50

[Comment From BrianBrian: ]

I don't see how republicans can take McCain seriously after he nearly ran as a Democrat before

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Brian

5:50

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Both Clinton and Obama are having a great night thus far. This is a good debate for Democrats.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Big Sven

5:50

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

calm down Hilary, you were doing better 15 mins ago.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 also

5:50

Clinton is opposed. (After, a while back, seeming to be allright with the idea.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50

5:50

[Comment From NikkyNikky: ]

Her message is "elect me because I talk longer"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Nikky

5:50

[Comment From JonJon: ]

Hillary is about to get shrill, take a breath Hillary.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:50 Jon

5:51

And, predictably, Obama dings her on giving a number of different answers on this.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:51

5:51

Calls her a flip-flopper. "And the only reason I bring that up," he says, "is to underscore that it's a difficult political issue."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:51

5:51

[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

I wonder how long before we hear Obama say that Hillary "will say anything"

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:51 adjohnson

5:51

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

She's so damn smug

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:51 NaFun

5:51

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Finally a Richardson mention

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:51 Katelyn

5:52

Clinton has to correct the record, she says.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52

5:52

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

They're both doing well.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52 Sara

5:52

[Comment From Dominic HoldenDominic Holden: ]

When Hillary gets smug, she looks like a turtle.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52 Dominic Holden

5:52

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

"The only reason I stabbed her in the back is to illustrate a point". I dunno, that was such a transparent attack he should just own it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52 also

5:52

Says even after she clarified her position, Obama could not even answer a question about the issue.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52

5:52

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Jesus, they have been debating for nearly an hour. Isnt it time for a break?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52 blaire

5:52

First break.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52

5:52

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

I love how both candidates keep pointing out how small there differences are compared to the Republicans. SUCH an important point.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:52 Big Sven

5:53

Let's do a poll:

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:53

5:53	Who's winning? Clinton ( 35% ) Obama ( 65% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 5:53

5:54

[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

I miss john edwards, but this has been the best debate so far.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:54 Kyle

5:55

Looks like you all think Obama is winning (64-35). Ending the poll...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55

5:55

[Comment From JonJon: ]

I can see a Obama/Clinton ticket happening, will Hillary take VP?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55 Jon

5:55

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

jesus. going to caucus in capitol hill is going to be really depressing for the clinton supporters among us, isn't it?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55 josh

5:55

[Comment From tweetwee: ]

this is the dullest Project Runway ever

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55 twee

5:55

[Comment From SpokavegasSpokavegas: ]

So will Gregoire go Obama?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55 Spokavegas

5:55

[Comment From BrianBrian: ]

I feel like I should live blog my life and make all my decisions via poll

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:55 Brian

5:56

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Of the dozens of televisions I can see at this moment, only one is turned to CNN for the debate. It's depressing and makes me wonder if we're insane for caring.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 Katelyn

5:56

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

I miss John Edward's stylish Bobby Kennedy hairdo, but that's about it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 Sara

5:56

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Sullivan has a picture up that show a nice close up of Obama's tie. Its very very nice.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 blaire

5:56

[Comment From HUH?HUH?: ]

obama seems more smug to me. i think that's why working class likes him less.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 HUH?

5:56

[Comment From taztaz: ]

I really wish these debates were hosted by impartial third parties. Not the corporate owned main stream media. The MSM just want a fight / drama for ratings and meanwhile the american people suffer.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 taz

5:56

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

I keep coming back to the idea that they both thing their two names are going to be on the ticket in one order or the other. If they stay civil for another hour, I'll know for sure...

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 Big Sven

5:56

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

I know it's what a debate is about, but calling a "winner" of any of these always seems a bit silly.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:56 Archie

5:57

[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

In all fairness, this is the most people have paid attention to PRIMARY debates in a long time

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:57 Todd

5:57

And we're back.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:57

5:57

Question: A lot of Americans think Clinton is the best person to manage the economy. Why are they wrong?

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:57

5:58

Well, Obama says, a lot of American's don't think she's the best person.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58

5:58

And then he launches into his biography—community organizer, state legislator, senator.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58

5:58

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

If one of them can subvert his or her alpha-male or -femaleness, we might have a winning ticket.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58 Andy Niable

5:58

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Yeah, if there's one thing we know, it's that the Democratic primaries are getting way more attention and higher turnout than ever before.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58 Archie

5:58

[Comment From SpokavegasSpokavegas: ]

first lady doesn't = experience

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58 Spokavegas

5:58

[Comment From angelfishangelfish: ]

oh, that was unkind. Obama's getting nasty!

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:58 angelfish

5:59

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

He DOES have an impressive resume.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59 Katelyn

5:59

He really hasn't answered this question specifically.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59

5:59

[Comment From angelfishangelfish: ]

first lady=amazing experience

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59 angelfish

5:59

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

Seriously, adorable with the flow pads, here, kids.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59 Sara

5:59

Just says, "this skills I have are the ones that are needed to move this country forward."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59

5:59

New question, to Clinton: "What experience as a First Lady qualifies you to be president of the United States."

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59

5:59

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

ouch, another loaded question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 5:59 also

6:00

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

if she tries this 35 years shit with john mccain, she'll lose....

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00 ghostlawns

6:00

Clinton does her bio: Going to the Children's Defense Fund out of law school, running the Legal Services Corporation...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00

6:00

...reforming education system in Arkansas, expanding rural healthcare...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00

6:00

...and, finally, we get to her years in the White House.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00

6:00

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Now hold on, Obama's asked to challenge Hillary, but she's just asked to give her record (what Obama seemed to do anyways)? CNN seriously just wants to see _Obama_ get nasty.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00 Archie

6:00

[Comment From but but Clintonbut but Clinton: ]

how can it be a loaded question when she's making that arguement?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:00 but but Clinton

6:01

[Comment From Mike of RentonMike of Renton: ]

I think Obama's doodling.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 Mike of Renton

6:01

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Hillary: "I like children. Vote for me."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 Katelyn

6:01

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Why does she keep bringing up her failed health care plan?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 blaire

6:01

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

I have varied experience too. I'm ready to be prez.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 umvue

6:01

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

She invented the FDA?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 Guest

6:01

Glosses over her failure on universal health care and moves straight ahead to her success with the Children's Healthcare Initiative. (And her travel to 82 countries, and her work for human rights and women's rights.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01

6:01

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

35 years ago, hillary was in law school. does that really count as experience?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:01 blue22

6:02

[Comment From jenjen: ]

she keeps bringing it up because if she didn't every one else would

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:02 jen

6:02

New question that's come via the web, from Howard Meyerson as Pasadena, CA.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:02

6:02

Neither one of them have ever run a big business, when the U.S. is just a big business.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:02

6:03

[Comment From JonJon: ]

35 years ago, Barrack was 11 y ears old !

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03 Jon

6:03

Clinton says: "The United States government is not a business, it is a trust... It is not out to make a profit."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03

6:03

Very strong answer here.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03

6:03

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

Thank YOU, Hillary. F the business metaphor already!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03 umvue

6:03

[Comment From AriAri: ]

No, the US is a country. But neither of them have ever run one of those either.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03 Ari

6:03

"We had a president who ran as the CEO, MBA president and look at the results."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03

6:03

[Comment From Mike of RentonMike of Renton: ]

That whole CEO of the country thing is a bunch a Repug Bullshit.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03 Mike of Renton

6:03

[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

That was a great line, "more than a business..."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:03 adjohnson

6:04

And Obama says: "I would just point out, I don't think Mitt Romney has goteen a very good return on his investment in this race."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

Nice answer there, too.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

Ok, here comes the Kennedy question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

How does Clinton respond to the Kennedy endorsement of Barack Obama?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

David Schmader: Twist that knife!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

David Schmader: Hill's got the lesser Kennedys, so there.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04

6:04

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Hillary's laugh scares the crap out of me.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:04 Archie

6:05

Predictable: Clinton says she respects Kennedy, but she does have three (minor) Kennedys supporting her.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05

6:05

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

"you take Bobby's kids, I'll take JFK's"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05 Katelyn

6:05

[Comment From OrganLeroyOrganLeroy: ]

Strange redirection of the question by Hillary.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05 OrganLeroy

6:05

[Comment From AriAri: ]

No Shrivers, though!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05 Ari

6:05

And then she pivots to the idea that this is, ultimately, the decision of the people. (Not the Kennedys.) And that the question they should be asking is: Who will be ready on Day One?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05

6:05

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Anybody know if Bobby or Jack's kids are hotter?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:05 Big Sven

6:06

[Comment From JessPJessP: ]

At least this debate isn't focused on who a dead president would endorse ala last night's Reaganfest

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:06 JessP

6:06

[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

that was a lame dodge. she basically was like "it doesn't really matter"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:06 adjohnson

6:06

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

What exactly is her message? She is trying to twist the debate into her agenda again

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:06 Obvious Guy

6:07

New question to Obama: Should people be remembering the Clinton years fondly?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07

6:07

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

to be fair in regards to all this "lesser" kennedy stuff, bobby kennedy jr. has honorably worked for many important causes

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 blue22

6:07

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

She dodged it about as well as one could, given that the endorsement was a big boost for Obama... and she didn't go negative...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 Big Sven

6:07

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

I like how obama raises his hand like he's in grade school

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 b-wilson

6:07

[Comment From JaredJared: ]

Blitzer really needs to control the debate. There are only 20 minutes left.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 Jared

6:07

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

What's she supposed to say? It sucks, and I'm gonna poison Ted's Dewar's the next time I see him? It's a dicky question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 Sara

6:07

Obama says yes, and certainly those years look good after eight years of George Bush.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07

6:07

[Comment From ratcityslimratcityslim: ]

Her answers are way too long, Obama's are succinct.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 ratcityslim

6:07

[Comment From JonJon: ]

Obama almost hugged and kissed Hillary !

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:07 Jon

6:08

[Comment From gulpgulp: ]

her answer was great. "not up to the kennedys"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08 gulp

6:08

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

that was a weird reach to clinton's chair.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08 josh

6:08

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

I wish that Blitzer would stop trying to cause a fight

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08 blaire

6:08

And now Obama pivots back to his Kennedy endorsement, which is says is a sign that something is happening, that he's bringing in new voters and challenging Americans to have higher goals and expectations for this country.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08

6:08

David Schmader: It's true. Schools near noisy trains are Americ's biggest nightmare.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08

6:08

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

I think both senators read Fnarf's request for civility and took it to heart

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:08 Big Sven

6:09

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Foreign policy. Yes. Please, Obama, segue to foreign policy for us.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09 Archie

6:09

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

Are they not going to talk about the war? Elephant in the room

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09 Katelyn

6:09

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

I like how Obama talks about the good things for democrats not just him

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09 b-wilson

6:09

[Comment From adjohnsonadjohnson: ]

this is basically straight from his stump. it's interesting that he's finally managed to weave a little bit of his oratory skill into the debate format

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09 adjohnson

6:09

Obama all-but takes credit for the doubling of voter turnout in the early primary contests—says that's a sign he can change the electoral math in the general.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09

6:09

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

This debate is so dramatically different than the one last nigt.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:09 ghostlawns

6:10

Now a question to Clinton on the generational issue.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10

6:10

David Schmader: EEEEEEE!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10

6:10

A person who submitted a question online asks...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10

6:10

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

It is amazing how having them seated, and seated close together, makes them more collegial.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10 Kevin

6:10

David Schmader: Play the Rodham card! RODHAM!!!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10

6:10

[Comment From JonJon: ]

This debate is sooo much more intelligent than the Republican show last night!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10 Jon

6:10

[Comment From OrganLeroyOrganLeroy: ]

Yes! Hit the dynasty issue!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10 OrganLeroy

6:10

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

Clinton is so out of touch with younger generation's needs and wants

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:10 Obvious Guy

6:11

How can Clinton be an agent of change when she's just a Clinton after a Bush asfter a Clinton after a Bush?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11

6:11

[Comment From AriAri: ]

IRAQQQQQQQ CHINAAAAAAA ECONOMYYYYY what the fuck!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11 Ari

6:11

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Prediction for Hillary's response: I'm a goddamn woman!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11 Archie

6:11

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

nice question - re: dynasties

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11 NaFun

6:11

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

yes! the dynasty question

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11 ghostlawns

6:11

David Schmader: Zing!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11

6:11

[Comment From Obvious GuyObvious Guy: ]

great question. She can't skirt that question, but she manages to twist an answer and spin well

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:11 Obvious Guy

6:12

Clinton says she regrets there being a Bush in the White House too. And then says she wants to be judged on his own merits. But then says: It took a Clinton to clean up after the last Bush, and it might take a Clinton to clean up after this Bush. Huge applause.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12

6:12

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

good line from clinton, even though i hate her.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12 jayme

6:12

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

I bet there asses get sore from sitting so straight.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12 b-wilson

6:12

[Comment From KeithKeith: ]

that's a fucking answer...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12 Keith

6:12

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

And now to Obama; "What do you see when you look into Vladamir Putin's eyes?"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12 Katelyn

6:12

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Wow. Nice closer.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:12 Archie

6:13

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

NaFun's g/f sez "_Her_ writers aren't on strike

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:13 NaFun

6:13

[Comment From onewayoneway: ]

I'm for Obama, but I'll give Clinton this much credit tonight: Other than her shout-outs to various states and cities, she doesn't sound as cold and calculating as she normally does.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:13 oneway

6:13

[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

I want to hear about education and the war.....

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:13 Kyle

6:13

[Comment From BontBont: ]

Both of their answers are so long I find myself having to scroll up to remember what the last person said. Has Blitzer cut off anybody yet? He hasn't, has he?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:13 Bont

6:14

Poll time:

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:14

6:14	Who's winning now? Clinton ( 40% ) Obama ( 60% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 6:14

6:15

[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

What about the freaking environment? Has there been one question directed towards it? Education and health care are fine, but my god, no one will be smart or alive if this isn't seriously addressed and it certainly doesn't seem to be on CNN's agenda

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:15 johnnie

6:16

Obama still winning our poll, but not by as much. Ok, poll's over.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:16

6:16

David Schmader: What's a "Ron Paul'?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:16

6:16

[Comment From SusanSusan: ]

Hear, hear, Johnnie! I'm mad as hell about the EPA stomping all over CA (talk about state's rights!). I hope that question is addressed.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:16 Susan

6:16

[Comment From KatelynKatelyn: ]

One of these people is going to have to serve as Commander in Chief. We got their resumes earlier... neither one has any military experience. How are they going to handle the military and foreign policy? Diplomacy. Terrorism. These are huge huge issues and the debate's not even touching on them

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:16 Katelyn

6:16

And we're back, with a question on Iraq: How can we be sure Clinton is not making an open-ended commitment to being in Iraq, since she's not setting a timeline for withdrawal?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:16

6:17

Or, rather, a deadline.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:17

6:17

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Sounds like Nixon's plan for Vietnam. That was a riot.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:17 Archie

6:17

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

Wait. Wrong answer.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:17 Kevin

6:17

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

whoa whoa

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:17 Sara

6:18

[Comment From artistdogboyartistdogboy: ]

What a big mess eh Hillary. Why the hell did you not see that in te beginin

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:18 artistdogboy

6:18

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

is it just me or has hillary become noticeably more soft-spoken now?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:18 blue22

6:18

Clinton still does not set a timeline for withdrawal, and tries to focus attention on why this has to be done responsibly (read: slowly).

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:18

6:18

David Schmader: !!!!!!!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:18

6:18

David Schmader: UGLY BETTY!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:18

6:19

Yes, blue22, I would say Clinton's demeanor is different now.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19

6:19

[Comment From JonJon: ]

How many more US soldiers and Iraqis have to die for the Bush's self serving policy?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19 Jon

6:19

[Comment From taztaz: ]

We have to stop the corruption over there, fix the government, get the people to start helping themselves. So far they aren't doing it. We are enabling them to continue doing nothing.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19 taz

6:19

A little more subdued.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19

6:19

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

Yeah, stop being so responsible and thoughtful. Just do it!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19 umvue

6:19

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

that "we will inherit it" sounded like a joint ticket.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19 b-wilson

6:19

David Schmader: B-Wilson: Don't tease me.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19

6:19

Obama says: "We need to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19

6:19

[Comment From taztaz: ]

Billions of dollars are thrown at Iraq and much of it is unaccounted for. We have to start real oversight.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:19 taz

6:20

[Comment From bradbrad: ]

I'm an Obama supporter, but I sure do appreciate Hillary's vocabulary... "abdication" whoa!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20 brad

6:20

And gets big applause, but LA people, I gotta tell ya, he's been using that line for 8 months at least.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20

6:20

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Im so glad that Obama went after McCain's "100 years" comment

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20 blaire

6:20

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

Sounds crazy to stay in Iraq but... Japan, Germany, Korea, ... we will always have a presence of some sort now.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20 umvue

6:20

[Comment From BontBont: ]

Hmmm, Obama sidestepped Russia on his list just now...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20 Bont

6:20

[Comment From alsoalso: ]

he says we need to set a date, she nods? wtf?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20 also

6:20

And Obama again attacks McCain—this time for his talk of being in Iraq for 100 years.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:20

6:21

[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

would "peace keeping troops" be considered forces?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:21 b-wilson

6:22

Clinton nods along as Obama talks about what a "profound, strategic error it was to go into this war in the first place."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:22

6:22

David Schmader: Wolf is a shitbag.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:22

6:23

And then makes a very strong point: That he would be the best candidate against McCain because he can draw a clear contrast with McCain. The contrast is: Obama never supported the Iraq war, while Clinton and McCain both did.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:23

6:23

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

i really like how both of them realize the baiting cnn is attempting and don't want to play along. it makes me like them both more.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:23 jayme

6:23

[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

I love when hillary is funny....

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:23 Kyle

6:24

[Comment From EdEd: ]

She's not addressing that she supported it at the start and he didn't....could be a strategic mistake.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24 Ed

6:24

[Comment From JonJon: ]

Atleast they can both pronounce "Nuclear" correctly !

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24 Jon

6:24

[Comment From gulpgulp: ]

she is not cold. fuck whoever says that. she's like everyone's older fag hag.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24 gulp

6:24

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

she wants diplomacy with iran but votes to call their military a terrorist group?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24 blue22

6:24

Clinton gives a long answer here, but winds up with her belief (same as Obama's) that the U.S. should not have permanent bases and an ongoing occupation in Iraq.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24

6:24

[Comment From EdEd: ]

I've never noticed that Obama is a lefty before.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:24 Ed

6:25

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Incredible. Clinton doesn't rise to the bait. She clearly wants Obama as a running mate (in some capacity...)

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:25 Big Sven

6:25

[Comment From MacMac: ]

After the debate, Wolf is going to find a crowded movie theater to yell "Fire" in.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:25 Mac

6:25

New question: Judgement has been raised as an issue in this debate about Iraq, so a judgment question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:25

6:26

Before the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Clinton could have voted for the Levin amendment, which would have required Bush to report back to Congress about the progress of the WMD inspections before invading Iraq. Why didn't she?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:26

6:26

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

If the last debate was Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, this one is the Sound of Music

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:26 blaire

6:26

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

Force Hillary to address her support of the invasion. First good thing CNN has done here.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:26 Archie

6:26

[Comment From EdEd: ]

Well, the only way she'll probably get my vote is to have him on the ticket.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:26 Ed

6:26	Who is more likely to suck it up and run as VP for the other? HRC (VP for Obama) ( 25% ) Obama (VP for HRC) ( 75% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 6:26

6:27

Clinton says she didn't support the amendment because she felt it would, in effect, give the UN a veto over U.S. decisions.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:27

6:27

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

I want to know why she supported the Patriot Act

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:27 blaire

6:27

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

The only way he loses mine is taking it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:27 Kevin

6:27

[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

I want them both on the ticket.... PLEASE !!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:27 Kyle

6:27

David Schmader: Kyle: Your dream is my dream.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:27

6:28

And Clinton, contra Obama, says there will, in fact, be "a great debate" between either of them and any Republican. Because Democrats have a better, realer, grasp of the reality in Iraq than any of the Republicans.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:28

6:28	What would you most like to strike Wolf Blitzer with? A hammer ( 5% ) An axe ( 13% ) An rancid lemon merengue pie ( 22% ) A bag of goose shit ( 60% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 6:28

6:29

[Comment From artistdogboyartistdogboy: ]

Obama Clinton will never happen. Fire and Ice New and Old

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:29 artistdogboy

6:29

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

It is not that Obama fears debate. It is that he understands that there is more than unites us than divides us. Why is that controversial?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:29 Kevin

6:29

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

A Black and a Woman? It's like Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor- like dogs and cats living together. They should run with the campaign slogan "It's Just So Crazy, It Just Might Work!"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:29 Sara

6:29

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

If Obama takes Super Tuesday, Clinton will take Veep

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:29 Big Sven

6:29

David Schmader: Sara: Marry me.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:29

6:30

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

rule number one of picking vice presidents: never pick one that can upstage you

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:30 blue22

6:30

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

Wait, is this a dating site, too? Because Sara rocks.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:30 Kevin

6:30

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

This debate alone, lost the general election for the Republicans

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:30 ghostlawns

6:30

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

when has a VP ever done that, Blue?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:30 Andy Niable

6:31

Obama goes back to his earlier argument: "I think it is much easier for us to have the argument when we have a nominee who says, 'I always thought this was a bad idea, a bad strategy.'"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31

6:31

[Comment From taztaz: ]

We need debates where the MSM is not asking the questions!!!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31 taz

6:31

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

I love that Obama said they "screw it up"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31 blaire

6:31

[Comment From jenjen: ]

I never really liked either one of them until tonight but I was going to grit my teeth and vote for one or the other anyway, now I like them both.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31 jen

6:31

This is one of Obama's big arguments going into Super Tuesday. That he's actually the more viable nominee against either Republican (McCain or Romney), not Clinton.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31

6:31

New question: Why can't Clinton just admit that her Iraq vote was a mistake?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:31

6:32

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Why I like these two together is that they have different strengths. She wouldn't try to be inspirational and he could let her manage the details.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:32 Big Sven

6:32

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

I believe Obama is more viable right NOW. Who knows how the slur campaign will pan out?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:32 umvue

6:32

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

OH GOD THE "MISTAKE" WORD. RUN HILLARY!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:32 Archie

6:32

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

That was a very sttrong showing by Obama - great followup question to Hillary

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:32 NaFun

6:32

[Comment From blaireblaire: ]

Hillary's unwillingness to call her vote a mistake may cost her the nomination. Just admit it was a mistake so we can forgive you.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:32 blaire

6:33

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

As proof - she can never admit she is wrong.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:33 Kevin

6:33

[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

she has gotta face the music on this one.....

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:33 Kyle

6:33

[Comment From bearrainbearrain: ]

A Clinton has never made a mistake.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:33 bearrain

6:33

Clinton, once again, always and forever, does not answer this question directly. Said she was hoping to achieve, "Coercive diplomacy." Meaning: Using the threat of force to get someone (in this case Saddam Hussein) to change his behavior.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:33

6:33

[Comment From elenchoselenchos: ]

Hillary is terrified of appearing weak.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:33 elenchos

6:34

[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

Now I remember why I hate Hillary.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:34 Todd

6:34

[Comment From blue22blue22: ]

i thought this was a 90 minute debate

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:34 blue22

6:34

[Comment From EdEd: ]

He's killing her in this Iraq section of the debate - he should be glad it was saved till towards the end.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:34 Ed

6:34

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Those of you who were always against the war feel this is a mistake on her part. Most of us (unfortunately) are in the same boat as hills- we made a mistake. We're more charitable to her urge to softpedal it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:34 Big Sven

6:35

David Schmader: Boos for Blitzer! USA! USA!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:35

6:35

Blitzer tries to put words in her mouth: Says, basically, so were you "naive" in trusting George Bush. And Blitzer gets booed.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:35

6:35

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

I bet SNL is wicked pissed that they already did an Ebony and Ivory parody a few years ago.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:35 Sara

6:36

[Comment From KeithKeith: ]

Good luck with the presidential one-on-one after she's elected Wolf..dick

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36 Keith

6:36

[Comment From ArchieArchie: ]

God, can I marry Sara, too?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36 Archie

6:36

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

He is black, and you are white. You were blind as a bat (on Iraq) and he had (fore)sight...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36 Kevin

6:36

Clinton goes into a long explanation for her "reasoned judgement" on Iraq.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36

6:36

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

Let's all marry an internet fatty!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36 Sara

6:36

David Schmader: I'd watch that show.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:36

6:37

Obama replies: The authorization had the title, "An Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq." That's pretty clear, he says.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37

6:37

[Comment From RyanRyan: ]

I cant wait to see The Daily Show's take on Blitzer's performance tonight.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37 Ryan

6:37

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

she is operating under the assumption that america will not elect a peacenik democrat.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37 josh

6:37

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

But... but... how did Obama vote on that one?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37 umvue

6:37

[Comment From EdEd: ]

Oh, she looks pissed.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37 Ed

6:37

And then says, Clinton's argument is that she's ready to be president on Day One. Well, he says, it's important to be right on Day One.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:37

6:38

And another break...

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:38

6:38

[Comment From SaraSara: ]

Questions No Decent Journalist Would Ask: The Wolf Blitzer Story

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:38 Sara

6:39	Are we dicks for hating on Blitzer for harping on itchy, confrontational questions, instead of being boring and ineffectual? Yes ( 11% ) No ( 62% ) Shut up ( 27% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 6:39

6:40

[Comment From taztaz: ]

A person can only make judgement based on the information they are given. All of American was lied to.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:40 taz

6:40

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

Clinton is being amazingly congenial given that Blitzer keeps hammering on Iraq and Obama keeps saying "I didn't vote for the war." Old Clinton would have gotten pissy.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:40 Big Sven

6:40

[Comment From FnarfFnarf: ]

So consensus is, Sara is winning the debate?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:40 Fnarf

6:41

David Schmader: Fnarf: Yes.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41

6:41

While you're all polling... I know Wolf Blitzer isn't looking great to our readers tonight, but here's something to consider: It's not easy to keep candidates from talking about whatever they want to talk about, and saying their words mean something they obviously don't mean. So at some point a moderator has to (hopefully gracefully) interrupt and call bullshit.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41

6:41

[Comment From cbccbc: ]

In regards to last night's debate: Maybe they should dig Reagan up so they can all lick his taint on stage and get their shit over with.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41 cbc

6:41

[Comment From artistdogboyartistdogboy: ]

Blitzer next question to both candidates. Do you think that CNN is the network that's number one for politics?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41 artistdogboy

6:41

Meanwhile: Ron Paul bought an ad during the Democratic debate?!?!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41

6:41

[Comment From 4d4d: ]

If Clinton isn't collegial, she gets called shrew.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41 4d

6:41

[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

It isn't that Blitzer is being confrontational, it's that he's asking the same baiting questions over and over again.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:41 Big Sven

6:42

And we're back for the final round.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:42

6:42

[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

Ron Paul must be paying a shitload on these ads!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:42 Todd

6:42

[Comment From CGCG: ]

They're both using Blitzer well. Clinton looks funny and human, Obama sits above the dickishness.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:42 CG

6:42

Question: We're in LA. What's to be done about all the sex and violence on TV?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:42

6:43

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

not the tipper gore agenda!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:43 ghostlawns

6:43

Obama begins by saying he understands parents' concerns, but the primary responsibility is with the parents.

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[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

We're talking about TV violence?!!! Let's talk about real violence!!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:43 Todd

6:43

Stevie Wonder is in the audience.

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[Comment From SaraSara: ]

hahahaha "what's coming over the internet"

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:44 Sara

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Question on the spouses.

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And it goes to Clinton, who interjects: "He has a spouse, too..."

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[Comment From b-wilsonb-wilson: ]

dumb question, where's the enviro

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:45 b-wilson

6:45

[Comment From jaymejayme: ]

death stare to the commentators!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:45 jayme

6:45

Clinton gets asked: If she can't control Bill Clinton now, what will it be like when she's in the White House?

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Clinton does not really answer, except to say: "I'm running for president, and this is my campaign."

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[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

Can we use the goose shit on her too?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:45 Todd

6:45

[Comment From JakeJake: ]

That laugh sounded like Ursula at the end of "The Little Mermaid."

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:45 Jake

6:46

[Comment From ghostlawnsghostlawns: ]

I hate how Clinton laughs so hard at a question she's heard 100 times in the past week.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:46 ghostlawns

6:46

[Comment From umvueumvue: ]

Well, it was a bullshit sexist question.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:46 umvue

6:46

[Comment From NaFunNaFun: ]

The question is: Will your husband embarass us when you're in the WH, not this 'are you running on your coattails" crap

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:46 NaFun

6:46

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Clinton doesnt pick out a pair of shoes without consulting a poll.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:46 Andy Niable

6:47

Last question, to both of them: Why don't they run together?

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6:47

David Schmader: !!!!!!!! STEVIE STOOD UP!

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(Stevie wonder stood up for that, the audience interrupts with huge applause.)

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[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

maybe if we ALL CLAP OUR HANDS? NOW????

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:47 Andy Niable

6:47

David Schmader: Andy, Yeah it's like saving Tinkerbell's life!!

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Would they consider a Obama-Clinton ticket, or a Clinton-Obama ticket down the road?

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6:48

Obama: "There's a big difference between the two."

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6:48

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

Josh Lyman and Stevie Wonder agree: Ebony & Ivory 4eva

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:48 josh

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[Comment From johnniejohnnie: ]

Hillary seemed to like that question much more than Obama

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:48 johnnie

6:49

[Comment From KevinKevin: ]

But Stevie Wonder is like Stephen Colbert. He doesn't see color.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:49 Kevin

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And they've still got a long way to walk down this road. But in a VP, he says, he wants someone who will restors a sense of what is possible in government. Doesn't want yes-men or yes-women. (That could be Clinton. She's no yes-woman when it comes to him.)

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:49

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

The MSM has been inciting a fight between them from the beginning and now they ask that question? LOL

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:49 taz

6:49

[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Clintobama makes a better combo than Obamanton, but i want him as the P

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:49 Andy Niable

6:49

[Comment From cbccbc: ]

IF clinton and obama had a baby do you think it would be the most experienced and uniting american ever?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:49 cbc

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David Schmader: !!!!

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But, Blitzer asks, would Clinton be on Obama's short-list?

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Obama: "I think Hillary would be on anybody's short-list."

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Clinton: "I have to agree."

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David Schmader: I love them both.

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[Comment From 4d4d: ]

Her wonkiness (and her viciousness when need be) make her a good VP candidate. I just don't think she'd take it.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:50 4d

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[Comment From SaraSara: ]

A better answer on his part would have been "Sure, I'd hit that".

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:50 Sara

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David Schmader: Okay, Sara, now you're just showing off...

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And in terms of Clinton's answer: She doesn't give one, really.

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6:51

[Comment From EdEd: ]

Maybe Sara can run with Bloomberg

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:51 Ed

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

@Sara Applause!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:51 taz

6:51

Clinton successfully ran out the clock on whether she'd want Obama as a running-mate, talking about her web site and her national town hall.

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[Comment From hoophoop: ]

i thought they both answered swell. they even look great together.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:51 hoop

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And it's over.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:51

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[Comment From Erica TErica T: ]

Obama needs someone with more experience than Clinton if he's going against McCain

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:52 Erica T

6:52	Who won? Clinton ( 31% ) Obama ( 69% ) Thursday January 31, 2008 6:52

6:52

[Comment From SethSeth: ]

I think we can all agree the real winner tonight was Sara

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:52 Seth

6:53

[Comment From joshjosh: ]

i can't imagine that either of them would want to be vice president. particularly clinton. that, and obama often has trouble appearing to like or tolerate clinton.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:53 josh

6:53

Looks like you guys still think Obama did better than Clinton.

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

Once again the american people are let down by the MSM, due to their ignorant questions. There were some good qestions, but all too many that were just plain stupid!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:53 taz

6:54

[Comment From RyanRyan: ]

Who was our last left-handed president?

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:54 Ryan

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CNN is talking about the big "hug" the two shared after the debate—which was quite a long and big embrace and chit-chat.

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David Schmader: I think I'm a Clinton supporter now.

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[Comment From EdEd: ]

Bill Clinton is lefty.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:54 Ed

6:55

[Comment From i dont have cablei dont have cable: ]

Obama is young, waiting * years to be president woudn't kill him and with 8 yeaes as VP he'd be unbeatable

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:55 i dont have cable

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[Comment From bearrainbearrain: ]

Don't go to the dark side Schmader!

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 bearrain

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[Comment From Big SvenBig Sven: ]

She did better on health care, he did better on Iraq. Winner: Americans. Loser: Republicans.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 Big Sven

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[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

Iraq kills Clinton in the general election debates.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 Todd

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[Comment From Andy NiableAndy Niable: ]

Everyone PLEASE GO TO THE CAUCUSES on Feb 9.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 Andy Niable

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[Comment From elenchoselenchos: ]

Clinton is young, waiting * years to be president woudn't kill her and with 8 yeaes as VP she'd be unbeatable

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 elenchos

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[Comment From EdEd: ]

It's American who can't wait * years for Obama.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:56 Ed

6:57

Looks like our poll has settled out, with Obama in the lead, 69-31.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:57

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So poll's over.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:57

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[Comment From KyleKyle: ]

It's a good night to be a democrat

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:57 Kyle

6:57

David Schmader: Bong time! Thanks for playing. xods

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:57

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[Comment From Dominic HoldenDominic Holden: ]

Either of them will cream McCain in a debate. Its just matter of time till he has a senior moment on national TV.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:57 Dominic Holden

6:59

My take: I don't think this affects the Feb. 5 contests much. No big knockouts, no big gaffes. People who were already committed to one candidate or the other won't change their minds because of this. People just tuning in for the first time by watching this debate—well, they'll split along the same lines they would have if they found out about the candidates some other way. But the big winner does seem to be, as cheesy as it might sound, the Democratic party. It looks so much more ahead-of-the-curve than the Republicans, who are all about the past (think of all the Reagan references last night), all white, all male, and way out of touch with a whole lot of Americans.

Thursday January 31, 2008 6:59

7:00

[Comment From FnarfFnarf: ]

If Obama gets it, Clinton will want a more important job than veep.

Thursday January 31, 2008 7:00 Fnarf

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[Comment From taztaz: ]

Thanks for live-blogging this debate! I really appreciate your efforts! Cheers!

Thursday January 31, 2008 7:00 taz

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[Comment From ToddTodd: ]

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