Pwnage and beyond
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Good Morning. Welcome to today's chat.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:29 
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Let's get started with Darren

Monday July 21, 2008 9:30 
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[Comment From DarrenDarren: ] 
When will Installer be available on the 3G phone? Are the developers porting their old apps to the 2.0 firmware
Monday July 21, 2008 9:30 Darren
9:30
We have no word from NullRiver
Monday July 21, 2008 9:30 
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I'd be surprised if Installer.app went away forever but no one has heard from them -- this is not a departure from their norm of doing business
Monday July 21, 2008 9:30 
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As for third party developers, there is definitely a buzz and a start of exploration
Monday July 21, 2008 9:31 
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[Comment From JonathanJonathan: ] 
Thanks for hosting. Good morning.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:31 Jonathan
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[Comment From Ryan TrevisolRyan Trevisol: ] 
If I jailbreak my iPhone 3G, is it possible to restore it to factory settings (i.e. non-voided warranty) by restoring it?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:31 Ryan Trevisol
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That's a bit out of my area of expertise Ryan. I'd suggest you check out the docs for Pwnage and I'll ask around
Monday July 21, 2008 9:31 
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[Comment From EricEric: ] 
what is cyndia?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:31 Eric
9:32
Cydia (no "n") is the new open source installer for iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 
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It was created by Jay "Saurik" Freeman
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 
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And it is the default installer put on the phone by pwnage
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 
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[Comment From CedrikCedrik: ] 
Working with iPod Touch?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 Cedrik
9:32
Yes, the iPod touch has been jailbroken
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 
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[Comment From HoulsHouls: ] 
Any word on a WinPwn for 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:32 Houls
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The dev team is pretty mac centric. I suggest you try visiting irc.osx86.hu and search for #winpwn
Monday July 21, 2008 9:33 
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[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
any word on a possible jailbreak tool for windows users seeing that the current one out seems to be for mac users only.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:33 Sam Gabriel
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The current one is indeed for mac users. You can however, for the low price of about $500 buy a used mac mini. :)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:33 
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[Comment From melman101melman101: ] 
Why would you need Installer.app if you have Cydia already?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:33 melman101
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Competition is always a good thing.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:33 
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Many developers are used to and comfortable with Installer.app distribution. I think most will be moving to Cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 
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If not completely, than at least as an alternative
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 
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[Comment From TheRealKerniTheRealKerni: ] 
News about Installer 4.0 can be found here: http://russianiphone.ru/blog/
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 TheRealKerni
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Thanks The Real!
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 
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[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
what is irc.osx86.hu?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 Sam Gabriel
9:34
It is an irc server and one of the main hangouts for iPhone development
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 
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IRC is internet Relay Chat
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 
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[Comment From SimonSimon: ] 
I have used Pwnage 2.0 and now have v2.0 jailbroken on my 1st Gen iPhone. Do you know if all the apps listed in Cydia will work on 2.0 because there are hundreds missing
Monday July 21, 2008 9:34 Simon
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If you're pwned and on 2.0, you will only see 2.0 apps on Cydia.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:35 
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It's slim days -- welcome to August 2007 -- but should grow quickly
Monday July 21, 2008 9:35 
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[Comment From pbruiennepbruienne: ] 
As a note, after running pwnage 2.0.1 and running the first round of Cydia updaters (it prompts there are updates) my iPhone 2.0 non-3G hung up on the restart spinner and required home-power to hard shut down, after powering back up things seemed fine
Monday July 21, 2008 9:35 pbruienne
9:35
2.0 isn't exactly the most stable of systems. Hacking it does not add stability
Monday July 21, 2008 9:35 
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[Comment From CedrikCedrik: ] 
Can we install both Installer.app and Cydia?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:35 Cedrik
9:36
If Installer.app ever shows up, yes
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 
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They coexist fine under 1.1.4
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 
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[Comment From SeanSean: ] 
Has anybody seen any app that adds a "reminder beep" for missed calls/texts/emails? I know one app that had it called Kate (formerly Caterpiller) that worked, but it was part of a larger (and buggier) collection of apps
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 Sean
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This is something that would have to be done as a jailbreak app
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 
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Because of the [redacted] [redacted] [redacted]
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 
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[Comment From HoulsHouls: ] 
Installer GUI is much more user friendly than Cydia. Tough to add sources toCydia
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 Houls
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Yes, I find a lot of the Cydia interface still rough to the touch
Monday July 21, 2008 9:36 
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That should change over time
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 
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[Comment From IDTfanIDTfan: ] 
could we use the same custom restore file that we made for diffrent iphones or I have to make one for each?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 IDTfan
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The restore file should work across the same model
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 
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You can't use a pwned iPhone ipsw on an iPod for examle
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 
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[Comment From Pwnage 2.1Pwnage 2.1: ] 
Actually i dont really need it anymore, as there are already many useful apps from the app store =)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 Pwnage 2.1
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That's a really good point
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 
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However, there are apps that Apple will not allow in AppStore
Monday July 21, 2008 9:37 
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And command-line utilities that make life nicer
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 
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No one is being forced to pwn their iPhones
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 
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If anything, the opposite
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 
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[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
there has been a DIY pwnage for windows users to jailbreak there 2.0 iphones, what are your thoughts on it?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 Sam Gabriel
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I'm really not a big windows user
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 
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I expect a winpwn tool to show up eventually
Monday July 21, 2008 9:38 
9:39
What platform?
Mac
 ( 84% )
Windows
 ( 15% )
Other
 ( 2% )

Monday July 21, 2008 9:39 
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[Comment From AndyAndy: ] 
Anyone think there ever will be a way to disable the lockout when i plug my iphone into my car?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:39 Andy
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The accessory thing is a real drag
Monday July 21, 2008 9:39 
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I know people are trying to explore this from the command-line
Monday July 21, 2008 9:39 
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But I'm unqualified to speculate as to its possibility
Monday July 21, 2008 9:40 
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The goal here is to allow 3G iPhones to work with third party accessories like car rechargers
Monday July 21, 2008 9:40 
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[Comment From RyanRyan: ] 
But there is still no msn messneger - when i get that I will be good
Monday July 21, 2008 9:40 Ryan
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That's an option that is AppStore compatible.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:40 
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Certainly some developer must be exploring that
Monday July 21, 2008 9:40 
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[Comment From ZeveZeve: ] 
Erica, would restoring with a pwnd ipsw potentially fix a bricked iPhone? I have a friend who bricked his phone by using ZiPhone. Does 2.0 have a new baseband or something that will be overwritten, thus repairing it. BTW, The error is (Repair Needed: ...)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:41 Zeve
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Again, that's something I'm completely unqualified to even answer
Monday July 21, 2008 9:41 
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Check out the dev team site and the threads over at the hackint0sh forums
Monday July 21, 2008 9:41 
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[Comment From RubiRubi: ] 
Will pwning my Iphone w/2.0 on it make it more stable, less laggy and significantly less like Vista?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:41 Rubi
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Pwning your iPhone will give it a command line and access to more apps.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:42 
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I'm hard at work on Vista 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 9:42 
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Which is to say (a), 2.0 is already stable -- jailbreaking wont' make it more stable
Monday July 21, 2008 9:42 
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(b) There is never an opportunty to add a Vista joke that should be missed
Monday July 21, 2008 9:42 
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[Comment From autoyautoy: ] 
For tethering jailbrake is a must, is it available for 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:42 autoy
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I know that tethering has been achieved. I also know it's a no-no for your AT&T contract
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 
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That being said, I'll move on to the next topic
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 
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[Comment From Pwnage 2.1Pwnage 2.1: ] 
yeah exactly. Thats why many people are hoping to have both appstore and cydia/installer on their iPhone 2.0. It is the best way to have everything the users want on their phone. =)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 Pwnage 2.1
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AppStore and Cydia definitely coexist
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 
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Both are living in harmony on my test iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 
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[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
there is a rumor floating around about there being an offical 2.1 firmware comming out from apple do you know if there is any truth to this? or do we just have to wait
Monday July 21, 2008 9:43 Sam Gabriel
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That's a really good question. I know of no official rumors -- but Apple would be insane not to try to fix some of the current instability
Monday July 21, 2008 9:44 
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[Comment From tototoolcotototoolco: ] 
do you really think the jailbroken apps landscape will be as big with 2.0 (app store being out and app having to be rewriten)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:44 tototoolco
9:44
The jailbreak landscape will *definitely* be smaller
Monday July 21, 2008 9:44 
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And here's why
Monday July 21, 2008 9:44 
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There is no immediate monetization with jailbreak apps
Monday July 21, 2008 9:45 
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The lure of being paid for your efforts is huge
Monday July 21, 2008 9:45 
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The audience is smaller
Monday July 21, 2008 9:45 
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The overhead is large
Monday July 21, 2008 9:45 
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That 30% Apple cut gives you a lot of protection from consumers
Monday July 21, 2008 9:45 
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However, I think many developers like the fun of being in touch with their users
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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Jailbreak gives you that
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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It lets you turn around many versions of your app quickly
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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You can have a new version of your app in your users' hands in minutes, not weeks
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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But it's a hobbyists forum
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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Not a real business arena
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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[Comment From TonyTony: ] 
Do you think that with a jailbroken 3G phone it will be possible to use the phone (via Wifi) as a modem
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 Tony
9:46
See previous tethering question
Monday July 21, 2008 9:46 
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[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Is there really that much demand still for jailbreak? Other than video recorder/MMS I dont see the big need now.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 Guest
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The demand is certainly less
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 
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There are a lot of apps however that people would like to have and Apple says no to
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 
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The biggest three areas are going to be customization, control and disk access
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 
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[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
Who is answering the questions right now?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 John
9:47
Hi John, this is Erica Sadun
Monday July 21, 2008 9:47 
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[Comment From RyanRyan: ] 
Will there be an appstore-compatible toggle app for Wifi and 3G? I think everyone desperately needs this
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 Ryan
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I really doubt that

Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 
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The technology depends on areas that are sandboxed off from developers
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 
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[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
In your development process for Pwnage 2.0, did you have any significant issues to work around that may have been placed there specifically by Apple to deter such activity?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 Guest
9:48
I am not a dev team member
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 
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I really don't know about the details
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 
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I have, however, found hilarious references in the iPhone backup utilities from Apple
Monday July 21, 2008 9:48 
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All sorts of comments, clearly about clever work-arounds
Monday July 21, 2008 9:49 
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[Comment From N00b-EN00b-E: ] 
Where can I find a list of apps that would make it worth jailbreaking my iphone 3g?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:49 N00b-E
9:49
There are very few apps yet released
Monday July 21, 2008 9:49 
9:49
The doors just opened late Saturday
Monday July 21, 2008 9:49 
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Give the developers more than 48 hours to start taking advantage of the new platform
Monday July 21, 2008 9:49 
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There is a new iPhone open toolchain email list at iphone-gcc@telesphoreo.org
Monday July 21, 2008 9:50 
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[Comment From SlimSlim: ] 
so can you put installer app on 3g or not?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:50 Slim
9:50
At this time, there is no Installer.app for 3G. There is Cydia, another installer
Monday July 21, 2008 9:50 
9:50
[Comment From JonathanJonathan: ] 
Please explain the benefit of a command line.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:50 Jonathan
9:50
It allows you to use Unix directly
Monday July 21, 2008 9:50 
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Many people own macs and never use their command line
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
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Others adore it
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
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It's a taste and comfort thing
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
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[Comment From C.C.: ] 
Erica, any new apps you're working on? Will you release through the App Store or Cydia?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 C.
9:51
I have about 8 apps waiting for approval over at App Store
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
9:51
The lag time is awful
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
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I have a whole bunch of new command line utilities released through Cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 9:51 
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They are available now
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 
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I spent last night porting them
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 
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I haven't quite cracked GUI apps on the open toolchain
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 
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Once I do, there will be an updated MakeItMine, AppFlow, etc
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 
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[Comment From Pwnage 2.1Pwnage 2.1: ] 
Reviews have mentioned that the firmware 2.0 is kinda unstable by having too many apps on the iPhone. Guess this is the main factor why apple is rushing for a 2.1 release? I hope they really manage to work this out
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 Pwnage 2.1
9:52
The number of apps doesn't affect the stability as far as I have found
Monday July 21, 2008 9:52 
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[Comment From ZeveZeve: ] 
Thanks, I understand. Any chance you are working on a Nike+ similar application for 2.0? As a runner, it would be awesome if someone could create a program that would send my location to the clouds using the triangulation every minute or so, thus letting me view my run once I'm home.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:53 Zeve
9:53
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be possible. Apple has yet to introduce an "always allow" for location
Monday July 21, 2008 9:53 
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[Comment From mcdjmcdj: ] 
taskbar notifier is sorely missed on 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 9:53 mcdj
9:53
It is indeed possible to do taskbar notification through the open toolchain
Monday July 21, 2008 9:53 
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[Comment From DanielDaniel: ] 
How difficult is it to port applications to the 2.0 fw? Would you say it is a fairly easy or hard task?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:53 Daniel
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Porting Applications is a moderately involved task.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 
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The 2.0 world is quite different from the 1.1.4 one
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 
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I can't really go into details. Apologies.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 
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The 2.0 toolchain is brand new
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 
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It's still stuck together in places with chewing gum
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 
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[Comment From MJMJ: ] 
Are you allowed (by Apple) to make jailbreak and legit app store apps simultaneously?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:54 MJ
9:55
I believe there is a non-compete thing. I am not sure of the details and I've only heard this third hand. So consider the source -- i.e. I am not speaking from authority here
Monday July 21, 2008 9:55 
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[Comment From The0The0: ] 
Seems like the risk/trouble is not worth for unlocked 1st gen iPhones to be upgraded to unstable 2.0 but rather to wait for a more stable 2.1 and a unlock/jailbreak for that?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:55 The0
9:55
2.0 gives you AppStore. That alone is worth the trouble
Monday July 21, 2008 9:55 
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[Comment From StefanStefan: ] 
when i get a new app from the app store, the phone says "backing up iPhone" and spends around 15-20 minutes... is it just making an image of my contents, formatting the partitions to make the OS partition bigger then restoring? why are the backups so long?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:55 Stefan
9:55
The backup thing is just a pain
Monday July 21, 2008 9:55 
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You're not alone
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 
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As for why? I'm guessing that Apple needs to work on the "incremental" part of that backup strategy
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 
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[Comment From ChrisChris: ] 
If Apple doesn't allow for an "always allow" location how can a program such as TeleNav be possible?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 Chris
9:56
Prefered partners always have a way around things
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 
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[Comment From Daniel WDaniel W: ] 
What kind of update from Apple will un-jailbreak the 3G?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 Daniel W
9:56
Pretty much any update from Apple will unjailbreak the 3G
Monday July 21, 2008 9:56 
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[Comment From SleeSlee: ] 
Does AFPd work on 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:57 Slee
9:57
I have not yet been able to get it working. Core, the brilliant man who ported it last time, is looking into th is
Monday July 21, 2008 9:57 
9:57
A third party has announced AFP support
Monday July 21, 2008 9:57 
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iPocket (waiting for AppStore) does ftp, HTTP service, and bonjour file sharing
Monday July 21, 2008 9:57 
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We'll have to see if it gets through Apple approval.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:58 
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[Comment From stewartstewart: ] 
is there anything else that needs to be improved in the pwnage tool ?? say 2.02 .....
Monday July 21, 2008 9:58 stewart
9:58
Yes. But I am not a member of the pwnage team, am pretty happy that the tool exists and am sure that the team will work on the usability issues
Monday July 21, 2008 9:58 
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[Comment From dfbillsdfbills: ] 
Do you think apple will ever allow a terminal client on the official appstore? (not access to internals, but for connecting to remote systems)
Monday July 21, 2008 9:58 dfbills
9:58
I can't see why not.
Monday July 21, 2008 9:58 
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So long as it doesn't mess with internals
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 
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[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
do you know if anyone is working on any applications that transfer the iphones contact list back to the sim card, its already capable of taking them from the sim so i would assume the revirse would be a cake walk but i dont know
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 Sam Gabriel
9:59
I do not know of any way to access the SIM card
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 
9:59
It's possible, I suppose
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 
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[Comment From MaciejMaciej: ] 
Is there a place where I can find a list of Cydia Packages without loading Cydia on the iPhone?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 Maciej
9:59
I do not know of one. Sorry
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 
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[Comment From ZifnabZifnab: ] 
Does the app store have any issues installing/updating/untinstalling/modifying programs when cydia is installed?
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 Zifnab
9:59
Not as far as I can tell with my under-48-hours experience
Monday July 21, 2008 9:59 
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[Comment From N00b-EN00b-E: ] 
Sorry, I may have missed the answer to this - I have no idea where to find a listing of programs that are jailbreak only - I'm trying to decide if jailbreaking the 3g is worth it?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 N00b-E
10:00
This seems to be a theme among the questions here. If anyone can come up with a solution, please drop a note at http://www.tuaw.com/tips
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 
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[Comment From CruyCruy: ] 
BIG THX DevTeam!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 Cruy
10:00
Roger tha!t
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 
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I say thank you too!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 
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[Comment From 00550055: ] 
Do you guys no if there will be legit themes support in the near future without Jailbreak?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:00 0055
10:01
It's always possible should Apple get enough consumer demand
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 
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[Comment From ZifnabZifnab: ] 
Would it be possible to write a program to shut off the backups?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 Zifnab
10:01
There's probably a way to hack around it. I'm pretty sure you can click that little "x" next to the backup in iTunes
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 
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[Comment From kariudokariudo: ] 
you can hit the "x" in itunes and skip the backup while still syncing everything else
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 kariudo
10:01
Yeah, what he said
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 
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[Comment From RaezRaez: ] 
what is AFP?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:01 Raez
10:02
AFP is the AppleTalk file protocol that allwos you to mount your iPhone as a local disk
Monday July 21, 2008 10:02 
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It's way convenient. And I miss it from 1.1.4
Monday July 21, 2008 10:02 
10:02
[Comment From NickNick: ] 
As a developer, how useful are you finding the current Apps available on App Store versus in the Jailbreak community?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:02 Nick
10:02
I think the apps in App Store are freaking amazing
Monday July 21, 2008 10:02 
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The variety, the ingenuity
Monday July 21, 2008 10:02 
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And of course, there's Handy Randy
Monday July 21, 2008 10:03 
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That's the exception
Monday July 21, 2008 10:03 
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[Comment From AndyAndy: ] 
In terms of the "always allow" location bit, isn't it the case that once allowed, the app stays allowed until it's quit? So surely any app that needed constant location could just look for location on start and it'd be fine?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:03 Andy
10:03
Andy, I'd have to test it, but it's my understanding that no, you have to keep asking
Monday July 21, 2008 10:03 
10:03
But I have often been wrong before
Monday July 21, 2008 10:03 
10:04
[Comment From RaezRaez: ] 
Are we ever going to see installer on FW 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:04 Raez
10:04
I'd say probably
Monday July 21, 2008 10:04 
10:04
[Comment From gg: ] 
re iPocket, how would you even use it though?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:04 g
10:04
Linky: http://ericasadun.com/AppStore/iPocket/
Monday July 21, 2008 10:04 
10:04
Again, it may not be approved by Apple
Monday July 21, 2008 10:04 
10:05
[Comment From mcdjmcdj: ] 
I'm sort of shocked as to the amount of control Apple is trying to maintain over the iPhone. Palm and RIM have far less, if any, restrictions on 3rd party apps.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:05 mcdj
10:05
Apple has always had high control standards
Monday July 21, 2008 10:05 
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It's not new
Monday July 21, 2008 10:05 
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But it's certainly not Palm/RIM either
Monday July 21, 2008 10:05 
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[Comment From kariudokariudo: ] 
ssh client would be best
Monday July 21, 2008 10:05 kariudo
10:06
I'm sure a client will be along soon
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 
10:06
[Comment From foomanshoefoomanshoe: ] 
Will a type of emulation of 1.1.4 be possible on 2.0 so all apps are technically backwards compatible?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 foomanshoe
10:06
No, I do not believe this is possible or likely
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 
10:06
[Comment From Legolover64Legolover64: ] 
When will we be able to sign apps developed in the SDK to have them run on Pwned devices?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 Legolover64
10:06
Apparently so. Look at Cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 
10:06
I'm not entirely sure of the details
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 
10:06
Last night, I compiled AppFlow in the SDK
Monday July 21, 2008 10:06 
10:07
And it ran fine on my pwned iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:07 
10:07
Howeve,r this could be alegal minefield
Monday July 21, 2008 10:07 
10:07
So (a) I am not a lawyer
Monday July 21, 2008 10:07 
10:07
(b) don't pirate stuff
Monday July 21, 2008 10:07 
10:07
(c) wait for someone more knowledgeable to answer about this specifically
Monday July 21, 2008 10:07 
10:08
[Comment From hbkdinobothbkdinobot: ] 
Are there any advantages of Cydia over Installer.app or vise versa and what are they?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 hbkdinobot
10:08
Advantage 1: Cydia is availble NOW
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 
10:08
[Comment From arodarod: ] 
How does the Pwnage differ from the ziphone method? Pro, Cons?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 arod
10:08
Advantage 1: Pwnage is real for 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 
10:08
(Please note, last time I checked, there was no 2.0 unlock for 3G, just jailbreak)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 
10:08
[Comment From JaimeJaime: ] 
The 2.0FW includes all languages? Even unlocked with pwnage?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:08 Jaime
10:09
To the best of my knowledge, yes
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:09
[Comment From EricEric: ] 
where are the compatible apps for cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 Eric
10:09
Still being developed
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:09
It's only been about 48 hours
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:09
[Comment From AndyAndy: ] 
Do you know of a sip client for the iphone?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 Andy
10:09
I'm waiting for Fring to jump from 1.1.4 to 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:09
I'm sure there will be others too
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:09
[Comment From Legolover64Legolover64: ] 
When will the iPhone Open Toolkit be ready for developing for 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 Legolover64
10:09
The toolchain is available now

Monday July 21, 2008 10:09 
10:10
Visit irc.saurik.com #iphone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:10 
10:10
There is also a new email list for open toolchain developers
Monday July 21, 2008 10:10 
10:10
And I know a lot of people are just getting started and are very excited about open toolchain development.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:10 
10:11
Be aware that 2.0 development is very very different from 1.1.4
Monday July 21, 2008 10:11 
10:11
[Comment From pizzafunghipizzafunghi: ] 
Is it possible to cerate an alarm-app, which alerts at specific times, without running in the background?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:11 pizzafunghi
10:11
I do not believe that's possible without some sort of background process. Apple doesn't have repeating alarms yet
Monday July 21, 2008 10:11 
10:11
[Comment From KevheadKevhead: ] 
What make dev. so different?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:11 Kevhead
10:12
The 2.0 frameworks use new classes and [redacted] [redacted] are [redacted]
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 
10:12
[Comment From atm153atm153: ] 
When will partition resizing be available? Possibly in a GUI?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 atm153
10:12
Very likely
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 
10:12
But not likely as a GUI
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 
10:12
[Comment From hbkdinobothbkdinobot: ] 
Will 2.0 prevnet certain apps found on 1.1.4 from ever running?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 hbkdinobot
10:12
Yes. 1.1.4 apps are not compatible with 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:12 
10:13
Some apps are easy to port, others quite hard
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 
10:13
[Comment From Daniel WDaniel W: ] 
Is there anything that you can't develop for in the jailbroken world (for example - calling Bluetooth directly or the GPS chipset)?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 Daniel W
10:13
I'm sure there's lots of things that aren't possible
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 
10:13
I'm pretty sure however, that there are a lot of things no one has thought of yet that are possible
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 
10:13
[Comment From ZifnabZifnab: ] 
Will background processes for a jailbroken phone still work? Say something like MobileScrobbler, that checks your songs as you play them in the background?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 Zifnab
10:13
The jailbroken phone allows background processes running as root
Monday July 21, 2008 10:13 
10:14
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Can a Mac Pwned ipsw, be used on windows?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 Guest
10:14
To the best of my understanding (not an expert here) yes.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 
10:14
But you run into   problems with transfering copyright material unless you do it just for yourself
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 
10:14
[Comment From calkcalk: ] 
is it possible to install a pwnd ipsw file on an unpwnd phone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 calk
10:14
Don't know. Check with the dev team
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 
10:14
[Comment From desistyle3desistyle3: ] 
any word on when an unlock will be available for the 3G?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 desistyle3
10:14
See previous answer
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 
10:14
[Comment From zonakzonak: ] 
Is it possible to develop in Apple's dev kit and distribute through Cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 10:14 zonak
10:15
I believe it's possible. I'm not sure yet whether it's wise
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 
10:15
[Comment From KevheadKevhead: ] 
repeating alarms/alerts is a necessity for many of us. What are viable options? Have looked at intelliscreen... but nothing yet for 2.0 - Any word why apple is omitting this as a core service/feature?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 Kevhead
10:15
The men in black coats would drag me away were I to answer this question.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 
10:15
(No, seriously, I have no idea)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 
10:15
[Comment From AndyAndy: ] 
How about a piece of software like JohnTool?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 Andy
10:15
JohnTool took advantage of an Apple debugging feature
Monday July 21, 2008 10:15 
10:16
Lots of us spend our spare time reading through decompiled Apple code
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 
10:16
It's a sad hobby, but it makes us happy
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 
10:16
It's very likely that we'll find other similar hacks and implement them
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 
10:16
but what they are cannot be said
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 
10:16
[Comment From Curtis WCurtis W: ] 
Can I use a friend Mac to Jailbreak
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 Curtis W
10:16
Absolutely
Monday July 21, 2008 10:16 
10:17
Buy him a beer though
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 
10:17
We don't want all the Apple-user stereotypes to be true
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 
10:17
[Comment From kevankevan: ] 
does apple give you a reason when the reject your app? if so, why did appflow get rejected?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 kevan
10:17
AppFlow got rejected because it launches other apps
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 
10:17
I was under the impression that the [redacted redacted] wording meant no forking/daemons
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 
10:17
Apple took a stricter viewpoint
Monday July 21, 2008 10:17 
10:18
[Comment From JustinJustin: ] 
The AIM client from the app store is cool, but I really want it to keep the connection alive. Will jailbreak get me there. I don't care about battery life
Monday July 21, 2008 10:18 Justin
10:18
Were I you, I'd write a very nice letter to the developers of Apollo IM
Monday July 21, 2008 10:18 
10:18
Maybe send them cookies
Monday July 21, 2008 10:18 
10:18
[Comment From JackJack: ] 
Do jailbreak apps still install to the root partition, or do they now install to the user partition like app store apps?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:18 Jack
10:19
It really depends. But for the most part, it seems to go to the OS partition. So you'll want to use Saurik's space saving tools that allow you to move a lot of that stuff onto the media partition
Monday July 21, 2008 10:19 
10:19
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
what are the top 3 apps in your opinion that are only available on jailbroken phones?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:19 Guest
10:19
It's still way too early for 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:19 
10:19
As for 1.1.4, I love Fring, and I love my personal apps -- wrote them because I wanted to use them
Monday July 21, 2008 10:19 
10:19
And I thought the video recorder was really great
Monday July 21, 2008 10:19 
10:20
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
can a jailbroken iphone be used as a replacement to a blackberry at my company's exchange servers?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 Guest
10:20
Er...maybe?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 
10:20
By the way, I do know for sure that you can use a Pay as You Go SIM with 2.0 on a 1st Gen jailbreak iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 
10:20
Tested it yesterday. Worked fine
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 
10:20
But I'm waiting for Big Boss to deliver EDGE disabling
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 
10:20
I kept getting $0.02 charges every few minutes
Monday July 21, 2008 10:20 
10:21
[Comment From zonakzonak: ] 
well say you develop something that has not been approved and don't want it to go to waste
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 zonak
10:21
That's a great reason for jailbreak
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:21
development
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:21
[Comment From VKVK: ] 
Is it possible to run apps (either from the AppStore or jailbroken) as standalone executables in some environment on your Mac laptop?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 VK
10:21
Unlikely
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:21
Your Mac is either a PowerPC or Intel system
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:21
The iPhone runs on the ARM chip
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:21
[Comment From SamWSamW: ] 
are you really going to answer these questions properly?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 SamW
10:21
Nope
Monday July 21, 2008 10:21 
10:22
[Comment From JackJack: ] 
Do jailbreak apps still install to the root partition, or do they now install to the user partition like app store apps?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 Jack
10:22
See above answer
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 
10:22
[Comment From BrandonBrandon: ] 
As a developer what has your experience been like with Apple? Have you had apps turned down from the App Store?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 Brandon
10:22
Yes, I have had several APps turned down
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 
10:22
Once was because I used the word "beta" in a description
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 
10:22
Another time because they say the App crashed.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 
10:22
And of course AppFlow
Monday July 21, 2008 10:22 
10:23
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Erica, do you find it hard to be so inherently nerdy and make it look so freaking cool?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 Guest
10:23
I succeed at the former. Fail miserably at the latter
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 
10:23
[Comment From Adam Y.Adam Y.: ] 
Is there a Summerboard app for 2.0 yet?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 Adam Y.
10:23
Not yet
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 
10:23
[Comment From craig2craig2: ] 
why does apple care if it launches other apps?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 craig2
10:23
They make the rulez
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 
10:23
[Comment From stewartstewart: ] 
what's the point of having an unlocked iphone 3G when u r stuck with at&t ??
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 stewart
10:23
It's really nice for countries OUTSIDE the borders
Monday July 21, 2008 10:23 
10:24
:)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 
10:24
[Comment From DavePDaveP: ] 
cydia is now under something called stash
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 DaveP
10:24
I'm not sure what that means. But...okay!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 
10:24
[Comment From AndyAndy: ] 
What are the top 3 apps in the AppStore in your opinion?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 Andy
10:24
The top 3 apps are always things that you need and make your life better
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 
10:24
It varies by person
Monday July 21, 2008 10:24 
10:25
[Comment From Daniel A. L.Daniel A. L.: ] 
If BossPrefs for many known as a good utility to shut down the edge "thing". Why would Apple reject that kind of an application?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:25 Daniel A. L.
10:25
If it goes outside the limits that Apple has set for developers, it cannot be sold through Appstore
Monday July 21, 2008 10:25 
10:25
[Comment From DaveBDaveB: ] 
So do you think App Store will eventually make installer.app and 3rd party apps redundant once we all go to 2.0 (jailbroken)?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:25 DaveB
10:25
I believe there's room for both
Monday July 21, 2008 10:25 
10:26
If anything, Appstore has decreased the demand and need for jailbreak for most people
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
Jailbreak is more than ever a hobbyists world
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
[Comment From RyanRyan: ] 
What are the chances of a true Voip app hitting the app store?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 Ryan
10:26
Very very good
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
so long as they comply with no-VoIP data over 3G/EDGE
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
Unless there's some sort of big conspiracy
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
Which of couse, there could be
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:26
In an AppleXFiles way
Monday July 21, 2008 10:26 
10:27
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
While there is "room" for both, there is no way a paid dev will tolerate the limits
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 Kai Cherry
10:27
There is very little financial incentive for non-AppStore development for most devs
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 
10:27
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
is there a way toggle ssh on a jailbroken 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 Guest
10:27
Not yet
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 
10:27
[Comment From oxidusoxidus: ] 
how do you disable ssh on the 3g without uninstalling
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 oxidus
10:27
You can just kill the process
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 
10:27
[Comment From SeanSean: ] 
What good would a voip app do if you have to pay for internet service?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:27 Sean
10:28
Free WiFi makes VoIp attractive.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 
10:28
[Comment From craig2craig2: ] 
Erica: Any comments on SJ's gaunt appearance and today's NY Post article on his health?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 craig2
10:28
We at TUAW wish him continued health and a speedy recovery if he's been ill
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 
10:28
[Comment From gepardgepard: ] 
I have heard that the guys from Russia have helped to develop Pwnage. Is that true?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 gepard
10:28
There are guys literally from all over the world
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 
10:28
See the dev team blog for details
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 
10:28
[Comment From luzluz: ] 
Speaking of conspiracies - do you think there is a particular reason why we can't have app store apps accessing the calendar?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:28 luz
10:29
I honestly have no idea
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 
10:29
[Comment From RichardRichard: ] 
Do you think SlingPlayer will come to Cydia if Apple doesn't allow it in the AppStore?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 Richard
10:29
I suspect that AppStore is a more likely target
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 
10:29
[Comment From foomanshoefoomanshoe: ] 
Is it possible to dual boot the iphone between 1.1.4 and 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 foomanshoe
10:29
I'm not sure. I know that dual boot instructions abound.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 
10:29
but I really don't know about the technical obstacles
Monday July 21, 2008 10:29 
10:30
[Comment From JB510JB510: ] 
Pay for VOIP is excellent for international calls.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:30 JB510
10:30
I wrote up about such a service (works on 1.1.4 as well as 2.0) a few weeks ago
I forget the name of the compnay
Monday July 21, 2008 10:30 
10:30
A quick google should turn it up for you
Monday July 21, 2008 10:30 
10:30
You use carrier minutes but make international calls
Monday July 21, 2008 10:30 
10:30
[Comment From Shawn CarterShawn Carter: ] 
Are there any GUI customization apps on Cydia yet?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:30 Shawn Carter
10:31
None that I'm aware of
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 
10:31
[Comment From SpikeyPineappleSpikeyPineapple: ] 
would it ever be posable to do something like jailbreakme.com on version 2.0?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 SpikeyPineapple
10:31
Almost certainly not
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 
10:31
[Comment From andyandy: ] 
is there a way to disable edge/3g data on a 1st gen phone?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 andy
10:31
Take out your SIM card
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 
10:31
100% effective
Monday July 21, 2008 10:31 
10:32
[Comment From AdamAdam: ] 
OR use services app
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 Adam
10:32
Still waiting for that under 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 
10:32
[Comment From iambored8907iambored8907: ] 
Will an app developed in the sdk run in 2.0 without modifications?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 iambored8907
10:32
Yes
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 
10:32
Again, whether this is wise is another matter entirely
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 
10:32
[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
my questions arnt being answered :-(
Monday July 21, 2008 10:32 Sam Gabriel
10:33
Sorry Sam. I'm being bombarded. I think I'm answering about 1 out of every 20
Monday July 21, 2008 10:33 
10:33
[Comment From LawrenceLawrence: ] 
Is there ever likely to be a way to use the iphone as a modem for a laptop via bluetooth or cable?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:33 Lawrence
10:33
It is being done now. It is also completely against your contract
Monday July 21, 2008 10:33 
10:33
[Comment From Daniel WDaniel W: ] 
Having not been through pwnage before - what happens to applications when apple updates come out? Do they stop functioning or you just can't install new apps?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:33 Daniel W
10:34
Generally, new updates kill your pwnage. You have to wait for the team to update
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:34
and then re-install everything
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:34
Another reason why this is the domain of hobbyists
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:34
You will generally not lose your data that's been backed up
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:34
[Comment From MattMatt: ] 
Whats the word with SpringBoard does it run on 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 Matt
10:34
I think you mean SummerBoard
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:34
No, not yet
Monday July 21, 2008 10:34 
10:35
SpringBoard is the "Finder" for the iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 
10:35
[Comment From JesusDomingoJesusDomingo: ] 
Please let us know your opinion on the instability of firmware 2.0
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 JesusDomingo
10:35
I'm not really happy about it
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 
10:35
But no one is
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 
10:35
I bet Apple isn't
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 
10:35
[Comment From TimTim: ] 
How does iTunes backup application data such as audio recordings - and are you able to go into that backup and get your audio files from a recorder? And how are updates handled to keep the data safe?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:35 Tim
10:36
If you're on a Mac, you can download a copy of mdhelper from http://ericasadun.com/ftp/Macintosh
Monday July 21, 2008 10:36 
10:36
It's a command-line app that helps you browse your backup files
Monday July 21, 2008 10:36 
10:36
They are stored in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backups
Monday July 21, 2008 10:36 
10:36
It's pretty easy to browse through them
Monday July 21, 2008 10:36 
10:37
It's not easy to change them
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 
10:37
[Comment From AlexisAlexis: ] 
When you say completely against your contract.....is there anyway you know they could find out your using it as a modem?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 Alexis
10:37
I am not a lawyer
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 
10:37
I do not play one on TV either
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 
10:37
But I do make lawyer jokes
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 
10:37
[Comment From VballVball: ] 
Erica, can you answer a more technical question? What exactly is ldid -S doing?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:37 Vball
10:38
ldid will pseudo-sign your applications to allow them to run under the 2.0 watchdog
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 
10:38
[Comment From eromeroeromero: ] 
Will apps like the ones that disable Keyboard auto correction and disable the "Call Forwarding" messeage when making a call be possible on a jailbroken 2.0 1st gen iphone??
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 eromero
10:38
Possibly.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 
10:38
I really don't know
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 
10:38
[Comment From AdamAdam: ] 
Why is the no commitment price for the iPhone 3G so ridicoulously expensive?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 Adam
10:38
It's what the market will bear
Monday July 21, 2008 10:38 
10:39
Have you seen any 3G phones in the store lately?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
'nuf said
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
[Comment From AlexAlex: ] 
Genuinely, you can disable EDGE by changing any of the options in Settings > General > Network > Celluar Data Network ... my phone's usage stats and o2 online bill prove it. ;)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 Alex
10:39
That's a great tip
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
[Comment From AJAJ: ] 
Whats the advantage of Pawning my phone right now?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 AJ
10:39
Not much
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
Unless you enjoy command line access
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
Why don't 2.0 apps run on Pwnd phones?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 John
10:39
they do
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:39
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
Heheh. I can check and see if Summerboard is even considered for iPhone Offically...hang on
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 Kai Cherry
10:39
Thanks Kai
Monday July 21, 2008 10:39 
10:40
[Comment From DavidDavid: ] 
Will we see a return of UIctl.app? :)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 David
10:40
I don't see why not
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 
10:40
Once I get GUI apps going, it should be really easy to port
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 
10:40
[Comment From toontoon: ] 
is disabling the fairplay drm check process on the iphone illegal?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 toon
10:40
I am not a lawyer. See previous disclaimers
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 
10:40
[Comment From JesusDomingoJesusDomingo: ] 
what do you believe is causing the instability in the 2.0 firmware?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 JesusDomingo
10:40
Buggy firmware
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 
10:40
[Comment From desistyle3desistyle3: ] 
do you think they will remove the automatic backup of applications in iTunes? My sync now takes about 30 minutes to back up all my apps :'(
Monday July 21, 2008 10:40 desistyle3
10:41
I am hoping that they'll move to an incremental backup that does not back up Applications, just data
Monday July 21, 2008 10:41 
10:41
And changed data at that
Monday July 21, 2008 10:41 
10:41
[Comment From iambored8907iambored8907: ] 
What is the status of your apps being ported to 2.0? ie MiM
Monday July 21, 2008 10:41 iambored8907
10:41
I've only had access to the iPhone open toolchain for about 15 hours
Monday July 21, 2008 10:41 
10:41
Give me a few more minutes please!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:41 
10:42
(That is the new 2.0 toolchain)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 
10:42
[Comment From MakkiMakki: ] 
Is it totally necessary for itunes to run backup upon every connect?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 Makki
10:42
Apple seems to think so
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 
10:42
[Comment From Roger DRoger D: ] 
I visted SPICYChickens website this morning. He posted an update that he is porting Customize for 2.0 firmware...Any thoughts
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 Roger D
10:42
That's fab news!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 
10:42
[Comment From SamSam: ] 
Will there be flash support on appstore or install/cydia?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 Sam
10:42
Probably not
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 
10:42
[Comment From KhaKha: ] 
Is there a way to add songs into the iPod application, and have it sync back to the computer back into iTunes?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 Kha
10:42
Not that I know of.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:42 
10:43
The iTunes library is completely off limits except to pwned iPhones
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 
10:43
[Comment From dinodino: ] 
Cydia seems to be currently focused on command-line apps. Do you think this will change to consumer-friendly, GUI apps over time?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 dino
10:43
Yes.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 
10:43
[Comment From ZifnabZifnab: ] 
If we like command line access, is it worth it to pwn?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 Zifnab
10:43
Your mileage will vary by your command line love
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 
10:43
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
Every time I tried to run something, it crashes on a pawned phone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:43 John
10:44
This not significantly different from an unpwned iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 
10:44
Try rebooting
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 
10:44
[Comment From AelverAelver: ] 
Anyone worked out a way to disable the 'carrier update' from iTunes?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 Aelver
10:44
Anyone with answers, feel free to write to http://tuaw.com/tips
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 
10:44
[Comment From curiouscurious: ] 
what is the best way to handle diskspace? I copied apps from /applications to the mobile apps directory, everything worked except for safari... ideas?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 curious
10:44
I suggest you use Saurik's mover tools
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 
10:44
Hand copying doesn't always work as well
Monday July 21, 2008 10:44 
10:45
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
(@ nullriver) hang on while i retype
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 Kai Cherry
10:45
Kai: let me know when you know something
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 
10:45
[Comment From michaelmichael: ] 
any news about mms app?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 michael
10:45
No news
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 
10:45
[Comment From VKVK: ] 
mdhelper appears to be compiled only for intel. At some point, could you make it universal? thanks much!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 VK
10:45
I'll try
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 
10:45
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
Yeah erica, this from Maksim:
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 Kai Cherry
10:45
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
Maksim Rovgov installer is coming very soon
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 Kai Cherry
10:45
So good news on that front!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:45 
10:46
And you heard it LIVE from Kai Cherry LIVE on TUAW....LIVE!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 
10:46
[Comment From arisfilarisfil: ] 
what about skype and iphone ?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 arisfil
10:46
We all would like to see that. No news on that front either
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 
10:46
[Comment From JoshJosh: ] 
Hi Erica, ask and you shall receive.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 Josh
10:46
Please give me a million dollars
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 
10:46
[Comment From Nuno SousaNuno Sousa: ] 
whats a maksim rovgov?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:46 Nuno Sousa
10:47
He is the author of Installer.app
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 
10:47
[Comment From curiouscurious: ] 
do appstore apps have drm?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 curious
10:47
Yes. They use FairPlay
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 
10:47
[Comment From EliEli: ] 
that was not asking a question, it was giving a statement, therefore you get no million dollars
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 Eli
10:47
Bummer
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 
10:47
[Comment From curiouscurious: ] 
What does installer offer that cydia doesn't?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 curious
10:47
At this point? Lots of 1.1.4 applications
Monday July 21, 2008 10:47 
10:48
[Comment From TorsteinTorstein: ] 
When will Fring hit Appstore? What about MSN?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:48 Torstein
10:48
I wrote to the Fring headquarters. They wrote back a lawyerly "We do not announce upcoming products" thing and "It is certainly a platform of interest"
Monday July 21, 2008 10:48 
10:48
[Comment From Kai CherryKai Cherry: ] 
"installer 4.0 will be a better experience than the app store" - Maksim Rogov
Monday July 21, 2008 10:48 Kai Cherry
10:48
Er...okay
Monday July 21, 2008 10:48 
10:48
[Comment From Sunnyboi14Sunnyboi14: ] 
Erica, i want to learn how to develop applications for iPhone. How (or where), did you learn?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:48 Sunnyboi14
10:49
I just kind of picked it up
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
I have a book that will be released momentarily from Addison Wesley (iPhone Developer Cookbook)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
It may help
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
Also there are lots of fabulous Cocoa Development books out there
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
Those are good places to get started
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
Apple has a few intro tutorials as well
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 
10:49
[Comment From DavePDaveP: ] 
i bet alot of dev are waiting till we can get installer on 2.0 so we can update sources again
Monday July 21, 2008 10:49 DaveP
10:50
Actually, most are scrambling to Cydia
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 
10:50
But that's just because it's already out there
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 
10:50
[Comment From bit_bucketbit_bucket: ] 
I would say learn objective c as well
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 bit_bucket
10:50
Excellent point
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 
10:50
[Comment From DJDJ: ] 
Do you use the SDK now? Or Other?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 DJ
10:50
I'm mostly an SDK girl
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 
10:50
[Comment From KevheadKevhead: ] 
So you can make your very own flashlight with the SDK?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:50 Kevhead
10:51
If you strive and if you fight, you can get there by candlelight -- or a spare iPhone
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 
10:51
[Comment From JB510JB510: ] 
Erica, will your book be SDK only, or will it touch on Installer/Cydia?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 JB510
10:51
SDK only
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 
10:51
[Comment From TimTim: ] 
Does the SDK limit you from maxing out brightness when launching flashlight?
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 Tim
10:51
It kind of depends
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 
10:51
However releasing an update with maxing brightness depends on several weeks waiting for Apple review
Monday July 21, 2008 10:51 
10:52
The update has been in review since before the Appstore launched
Monday July 21, 2008 10:52 
10:52
We're running up on 1PM
Monday July 21, 2008 10:52 
10:52
I'm going to have to call it a day
Monday July 21, 2008 10:52 
10:52
I want to thank everyone who took the time to participate in this chat
Monday July 21, 2008 10:52 
10:53
I apologize to everyone whose questions I was not able to get to
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 
10:53
[Comment From IDTfanIDTfan: ] 
Thank you Erica!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 IDTfan
10:53
[Comment From DJDJ: ] 
Thank you erica!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 DJ
10:53
[Comment From AlexisAlexis: ] 
Thanks for your time :)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 Alexis
10:53
[Comment From AaronAaron: ] 
Hi erica :D
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 Aaron
10:53
[Comment From dinodino: ] 
Thanks, Erica. You're the best!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 dino
10:53
Thank you for taking time out of your day to spend with TUAW
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 
10:53
We really appreciate it and we appreciate you coming to visit TUAW
Monday July 21, 2008 10:53 
10:54
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Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 
10:54
[Comment From KevheadKevhead: ] 
great work!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Kevhead
10:54
[Comment From kevinkevin: ] 
thanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 kevin
10:54
[Comment From stewartstewart: ] 
keep up the great work E !
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 stewart
10:54
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Thank you very much.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Guest
10:54
[Comment From DanDan: ] 
Yhanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Dan
10:54
[Comment From Legolover64Legolover64: ] 
Thanks!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Legolover64
10:54
[Comment From ZoransZorans: ] 
Thank you from Croatia....
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Zorans
10:54
[Comment From TorsteinTorstein: ] 
TUAW is my new favorite blog
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Torstein
10:54
[Comment From KhaKha: ] 
Thanks a lot!! :D
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Kha
10:54
[Comment From IDTfanIDTfan: ] 
YOU ARE THE BEST!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 IDTfan
10:54
[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
thank you
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Sam Gabriel
10:54
[Comment From TorsteinTorstein: ] 
Thanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Torstein
10:54
[Comment From Beau GilesBeau Giles: ] 
cheers :)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Beau Giles
10:54
[Comment From MattMatt: ] 
thanks!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Matt
10:54
[Comment From JesusDomingoJesusDomingo: ] 
merci bien
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 JesusDomingo
10:54
[Comment From pizzafunghipizzafunghi: ] 
thanx
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 pizzafunghi
10:54
[Comment From ajacob24ajacob24: ] 
thanks!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 ajacob24
10:54
[Comment From Sam GabrielSam Gabriel: ] 
i love the live chat hope to do it again
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Sam Gabriel
10:54
[Comment From Jean-Pierre RousseauJean-Pierre Rousseau: ] 
au revoir
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 Jean-Pierre Rousseau
10:54
[Comment From miahill9miahill9: ] 
thanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 miahill9
10:54
[Comment From AJAJ: ] 
thanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:54 AJ
10:55
[Comment From kermkerm: ] 
Thanks!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 kerm
10:55
[Comment From tahataha: ] 
thnx
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 taha
10:55
[Comment From Radu DutzanRadu Dutzan: ] 
TUAW rocks!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Radu Dutzan
10:55
[Comment From TorsteinTorstein: ] 
Thank you from Norway, land of vikings
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Torstein
10:55
[Comment From JDJD: ] 
thnx from INDIA
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 JD
10:55
[Comment From AaronAaron: ] 
thanks from Trinidad & Tobago !!!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Aaron
10:55
[Comment From IculousIculous: ] 
Thank you
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Iculous
10:55
[Comment From LittleDogLittleDog: ] 
Thanks from Thailand
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 LittleDog
10:55
[Comment From GoobiGoobi: ] 
TUAW's the best!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Goobi
10:55
[Comment From pizzafunghipizzafunghi: ] 
thanx from karlsruhe
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 pizzafunghi
10:55
[Comment From danieldaniel: ] 
thanks
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 daniel
10:55
[Comment From LoreLore: ] 
thanks so much!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Lore
10:55
[Comment From stewartstewart: ] 
Erica FTW !!!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 stewart
10:55
[Comment From Jean-Pierre RousseauJean-Pierre Rousseau: ] 
suce ma bite salope! Merci!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Jean-Pierre Rousseau
10:55
[Comment From AlexisAlexis: ] 
Thanks form Sunny Florida :)
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Alexis
10:55
[Comment From MakkiMakki: ] 
Take care and thank you.
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Makki
10:55
[Comment From Sunnyboi14Sunnyboi14: ] 
I LOVE YOU ERICA!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Sunnyboi14
10:55
[Comment From DobilinaDobilina: ] 
thanx
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Dobilina
10:55
[Comment From LexsLexs: ] 
Thanks from UK
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Lexs
10:55
[Comment From ZifnabZifnab: ] 
Yay thank you!
Monday July 21, 2008 10:55 Zifnab
10:55



 
 
 
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