Liveblogging NJN's Republican Debate
7:44

Tonight marks the second time that Republican Senate candidates Murray Sabrin, Joe Pennacchio and Dick Zimmer have engaged in a debate.  

Zimmer is a late addition to the Senate race and choice of the Republican establishment.   The socially moderate former three-term congressman stepped in when Goya Foods heir Andy Unanue aborted his three-week-old candidacy.   Unanue himself was a fill in candidate for businesswoman Anne Evans Estabrook, who dropped out in March after suffering a mild stroke.   Zimmer’s campaign staff and infrastructure is essentially the same as Estabrook’s.   This is Zimmer’s second Senate campaign – in 1996, he was the Republican’s nominee against Democrat Bob Torricelli.   That race went down as one of the nastiest in the history of a state known for down and dirty campaigns.  

Pennacchio, a newly sworn in state Senator, officially kicked off his campaign in January, but had been exploring the possibility of running since last summer.   As the most socially conservative candidate, Pennacchio has watched party leaders, concerned about his inability to self-fund and viability against a Democrat, search for somebody – almost anybody – else.   The resurfacing of his 1991 treatise called A Nationalist Agenda, in which he discussed housing the homeless in abandoned military bases and freezing Social Security and Medicare benefit rates , didn’t help him allay mainstream Republican fears.    

Sabrin, an economist who teaches at Ramapo College, started his run as the state’s most prominent Ron Paul presidential supporter, and has adopted many of that campaign’s publicity and fundraising strategies.   He’s made an aggressive push against the Republican establishment and is running his own slate of freeholder and congressional candidates in several districts.   He’s run unsuccessful statewide races twice before: once as a Libertarian candidate for Governor, and as a Republican Senate candidate in 2000.   Although considered a long shot by most political observers and insiders, Sabrin refers to himself as the race’s “frontrunner.”   If this debate is anything like the last one, expect him to claim to have won it in a press release tomorrow.    

The debate comes on the heels of Pennacchio’s criticism of Zimmer for taking advantage of a tax break on his Hunterdon County farm – the same type of farmland assessment that is widely credited with sinking state Sen. Ellen Karcher’s reelection bid last year.   Expect that to be raised by Pennacchio, and perhaps Sabrin, tonight.    

The only recent poll on the race had Zimmer at 25%, Pennacchio at 5% and Sabrin at 4%.   But Sabrin in particular has downplayed those results, noting a small sample size.   Pennacchio has won the most county lines, with Zimmer coming in a close second.   Sabrin, for his part, has the line in Gloucester County, which he won after a debate with Pennacchio.    

Zimmer and Sabrin will participate in another debate in front of the Courier-Post’s editorial board tomorrow, which will be broadcast over the internet.   Pennacchio cannot attend due to personal reasons.  


Monday May 19, 2008 7:44 
8:01
NJN anchor Kenty Manahan is hosting
Panelist journalists:Michael Aron (NJN), Bob Ingle (Gannett) and Cindy Burton (Phila. Inquirer)
Monday May 19, 2008 8:01 
8:06
Ouch.   In his opening statement, Pennacchio went right after Zimmer for taking advantage of a tax "loophole" on his Hunterdon County farm.   Following Sabrin's statement where he noted that an anti-tax group called him a "taxpayer hero," Pennacchio said : “Dick Zimmer is a taxpayer hero on taxes for himself.”

Monday May 19, 2008 8:06 
8:06
*Zimmer's statement, not Sabrin's

Monday May 19, 2008 8:06 
8:09
Zimmer said that the Republican Party had lost its way since winning a majority, and spoke against earmarks - a cornerstone of his campaign so far.   Sabrin, the economist, disputed the importance of earmarks, saying that they're a small problem.  
Monday May 19, 2008 8:09 
8:09
Sabrin: "The problem is the size of the federal budget.”
Monday May 19, 2008 8:09 
8:11
In his opening statement, Sabrin promised that he would not dumb down the discourse.   “I will not pander to you with platitudes about the bridge to nowhere" (aimed at Zimmer). "Nor will I offer you slogans about what Ronald Regan has said in the past." (aimed at Pennacchio)
Monday May 19, 2008 8:11 
8:17
Bob Ingle asked how Zimmer could convince New Jerseyans that he was serious about running, given the Republicans' long search for a candidate before settling on him.   Zimmer responded that he had not anticipated running but realized that "pivotal time in our nation."   His experience as a congressman, he said, could help.
Monday May 19, 2008 8:17 
8:22
Sabrin is itching to filibuster.   After Bob Ingle asked how one Republican from New Jersey could help the state in what could be a Democratically-dominted Congress and executive branch, Sabrin said he would try to "will use my knowledge, my skills, my personality and charm to win over the Democrats."

But, barring that: "
I can filibuster bad legislation that comes down the pipe.”
Monday May 19, 2008 8:22 
8:24
Pennacchio responded that it only takes 60 votes to end a filibuster

Monday May 19, 2008 8:24 
8:26
Remember when Sabrin sent out a video to John McCain urging him to change course on the Iraq issue?   Sabrin just implied that it worked

Monday May 19, 2008 8:26 
8:27
When asked by Ingle whether he would feel moral responsibility if the United States withdrew from Iraq by 2010, as he proposed, Sabrin said:

Monday May 19, 2008 8:27 
8:27
Recently John McCain said he wanted to do it by 2013 – so he’s embracing the Sabrin solution – namely set a timetable that for leaving Iraq.  
Monday May 19, 2008 8:27 
8:34
Michael Aron wondered that, since Pennacchio is in favor of drilling for oil in the Alaskan Naitonal Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), why not drill off the Jersey shore?   Pennacchio said "We don’t know what the shelf off the coast of New Jersey offers," but that we can alleviate oil prices with oil reserves from the Gulf of Mexico, building more nuclear plants and using coal
Monday May 19, 2008 8:34 
8:35
Pennacchio said that he'd be open to drilling off the Jersey Shore only if there was some kind of huge reserve that could ween us off of our mid-east oil dependence.   In other words, go drill somewhere else.  
Monday May 19, 2008 8:35 
8:39
Pennacchio quoted Lautenberg on Dick Zimmer's former status as a lobbyist.   Zimmer responded that one of his proudest accomplishments was a bill to allow families of terror victims to collect damages from terrorist-sponsor states -- a bill, incidentally, that was sponsored by Lautenberg.
Monday May 19, 2008 8:39 
8:41
Cynthia Burton asked why Republicans haven't won a Senate seat in New Jersey since 1972
Monday May 19, 2008 8:41 
8:42
Pennacchio: "Message – when you go to the mushy middle. When you try to be Democrat-lite and don’t give people a reason to vote for you.”   Then he went off into his stump speech
Monday May 19, 2008 8:42 
8:44
Zimmer said that New Jerseyans need to elect a fiscal conservative.   Sabrin said that government is too large.   Neither directly answered why Republicans haven't prevailed in a Senate race in 36 years.
Monday May 19, 2008 8:44 
8:51
Okay, so now we know what Sabrin means when he calls himself a "frontrunner."  

“As far as being the frontrunner, I’ve been running hard since the beginning of the campaign," he said.   "I’m the only one talking aout the most important issue economically – that is the continued depreciation of our dollar, which has enormous implications for our economy.   To be a frontrunner means you have to be a leader on these issues.   I’ve been leading on these issues for the last three decades."

Oh, and Sabrin downplayed the Monmouth University/Gannett poll that put him at 4%, Pennacchio at 5% and Zimmer at 25%.

Zimmer said he was pleased to see the poll, but didn't put much stock in it.  

Monday May 19, 2008 8:51 
8:52
This might be the Zinger of the night.   Pennacchio pointed out that he's won six elections in the row, and touted his wide margins in his state Senate race last November.  

Sabrin: “I appreciate Joe saying he won six elections, but that’s like people in the Soviet Union saying they won six elections.   It’s not a competitive district.”
Monday May 19, 2008 8:52 
8:53
Time for closing statements.   Pennacchio first.
Monday May 19, 2008 8:53 
8:57
Pennacchio said the party's put up too much candidates on the strength of their checkbooks.

"I came in with nothing, no organizational support, no money and I’m still standing here."
Monday May 19, 2008 8:57 
8:59
Zimmer said that, if he wins the primary, he'll call for several debates with the Democratic nominee (either Frank Lautenberg or Rob Andrews).  

That sounds familiar.  

"Of all the candidates for the Senate, I'm the only one who has a track record as a leader in the fight for fiscal responsibility."

Monday May 19, 2008 8:59 
8:59
Sabrin said he's been warning people about the "destructive policies of the federal reserve" for three decades, and that the United States needs to adopt a "more humble foreign policy."
Monday May 19, 2008 8:59 
9:03
That does it for tonight's debate.   The primary is June 3rd.  
Monday May 19, 2008 9:03 
9:06
If you haven't had enough of Dick Zimmer and Murray Sabrin, The Courier-Post will stream their debate in front of its editorial board tomorrow afternoon.    
Monday May 19, 2008 9:06 
9:07
Who won?
Zimmer
 ( 67% )
Pennacchio
 ( 0% )
Sabrin
 ( 33% )

Monday May 19, 2008 9:07 
9:09
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