Thursday October 4, 2012
9:07 |  Andy Hoag@SNAndyHoag  We're here waiting for things to get started in the #bluewtrial. Judge about to talk to attorneys in chambers. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:07 SNAndyHoag |
9:08 | As I mentioned yesterday, the trial will go until about 10:30 this morning, and then resume at 1:30 p.m. Other matters for Jackson. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:08 SNAndyHoag |
9:09 | Because we're only in court for about an hour or hour 1/2, we won't have live video this morning. Live video will start in the afternoon. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:09 SNAndyHoag |
9:13 | RT @McMullenMegan: @SNAndyHoag about how many more witnesses are there that can/will be called? Thursday October 4, 2012 9:13 SNAndyHoag |
9:14 | .@McMullenMegan after Bowman is done, we should have five prosecution witnesses: two more MSP crime scene guys, a MSP DNA expert ... Thursday October 4, 2012 9:14 SNAndyHoag |
9:15 | .@McMullenMegan ... the medical examiner, and MSP Lt. Jason Teddy, the other lead investigator. This, of course, isn't counting ... Thursday October 4, 2012 9:15 SNAndyHoag |
9:15 | .@McMullenMegan ... any possible defense witnesses and subsequent prosecution rebuttal witnesses. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:15 SNAndyHoag |
9:20 | RT "@Jaynie1981: can't imagine who will be a defense witness.." >> for starters, Bluew, if he chooses to testify. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:20 SNAndyHoag |
9:21 | There were some trials scheduled in Jackson's courtroom this morning, and they're pleading out a second one now. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:21 SNAndyHoag |
9:24 | RT "@melissa_wick: can Bluews ex wife testify?" >> she is on the pros. witness list, which also means O'Farrell could call her, but ... Thursday October 4, 2012 9:24 SNAndyHoag |
9:26 | .@melissa_wick ... I doubt he would do that. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:26 SNAndyHoag |
9:27 | Everybody's here now, and Bowman will resume the stand. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:27 SNAndyHoag |
9:28 | We start with Bowman ID'ing the yellow laundry bag belonging to Bluew. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:28 SNAndyHoag |
9:29 | .@Mandalyn1401 yes. Link for my tweets on MLive: mlive.com/news/saginaw/i… Thursday October 4, 2012 9:29 SNAndyHoag |
9:31 | Bag includes t-shirt, with "POLICE" on sleeves, and duty pants. These are the pants/shirt that Bowman said didn't appear to be worn. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:31 SNAndyHoag |
9:33 | That clothing is admitted into evidence. Now the second, "old" uniform. Same style t-shirt, duty pants. Both pants are ... Thursday October 4, 2012 9:33 SNAndyHoag |
9:33 | ... the same size, according to their tags. The second uniform is admitted into evidence. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:33 SNAndyHoag |
9:35 | Now onto the tactical vest and Bluew's boots. Bowman says nothing noteworthy was found on the boots. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:35 SNAndyHoag |
9:38 | Vest and boots admitted into evidence. Now onto the items seized from Bluew's police vehicle - exam gloves, blood stain swabs, handheld mic. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:38 SNAndyHoag |
9:40 | All those admitted into evidence. Same with the buccal swabs taken from Bluew during interview with Ogg & Teddy. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:40 SNAndyHoag |
9:42 | Bowman holds up the tactical vest: pic.twitter.com/Md51a4q3  Thursday October 4, 2012 9:42 SNAndyHoag |
9:43 | Bowman begins opening an evidence bag: pic.twitter.com/jYs92GWW  Thursday October 4, 2012 9:43 SNAndyHoag |
9:46 | Now discussing the swabs of the blood stains found in and around Webb's vehicle. This is all tedious, but important, admitting of evidence. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:46 SNAndyHoag |
9:48 | The swabs, as well as the samples created for DNA testing, all are admitted into evidence. O'Farrell didn't object to any of it. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:48 SNAndyHoag |
9:49 | Stroud is done, Jackson says, "Really?" reflecting how long Bowman has been on the stand. O'Farrell up. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:49 SNAndyHoag |
9:50 | O'Farrell first asking about the crime response team, basic questions. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:50 SNAndyHoag |
9:52 | Bowman wasn't the person who actually found blood and necklace charm in Wastewater Treatment driveway. MSP's Gary Ginther did, she says. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:52 SNAndyHoag |
9:53 | Bowman disagrees that she characterized the blood stain in the driveway as a "droplet." Says she just mentioned size of stain. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:53 SNAndyHoag |
9:55 | O'Farrell asks if stain was a "transfer" stain. She says she can say it's not a "spatter" stain, starts explaining different types of stains Thursday October 4, 2012 9:55 SNAndyHoag |
9:57 | Bowman: Didn't see any other human blood stains at scene. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:57 SNAndyHoag |
9:59 | O'Farrell asking about ditch area, specifically where flip flops found. Bowman didn't inspect that area. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:59 SNAndyHoag |
9:59 | Bowman: "Nothing was brought to my attention" regarding any blood found in ditch area. Thursday October 4, 2012 9:59 SNAndyHoag |
10:01 | Bowman: All but 1 of stains found in/outside of Aztek were "transfer" stains. The only one not a "transfer" was on the ... Thursday October 4, 2012 10:01 SNAndyHoag |
10:01 | ... passenger side "B pillar." Bowman did mention yesterday that one of the stains in that area was a "spatter" stain. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:01 SNAndyHoag |
10:03 | Bowman: "Possible" for DNA on exam gloves to be transferred to another object. In other words, if I put exam gloves on ... Thursday October 4, 2012 10:03 SNAndyHoag |
10:04 | ... then any DNA I left on the outside of the gloves could be transferred to another object. That's my understanding, at least. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:04 SNAndyHoag |
10:04 | O'Farrell focusing on different sizes of stains in vehicle, specifically how faint some were. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:04 SNAndyHoag |
10:05 | O'Farrell using hypothetical of mosquitoes, if one is biting forehead, and slap it with gloves on, could get own blood on glove. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:05 SNAndyHoag |
10:06 | Officer Sylvester testified last week regarding needing bug spray because of the mosquitoes around the scene. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:06 SNAndyHoag |
10:08 | O'Farrell shows Bowman another picture, one not in evidence yet, from the autopsy. Focuses on a "smudge" on the outside of the glove ... Thursday October 4, 2012 10:08 SNAndyHoag |
10:09 | ... being worn by a hand seen in the picture. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:09 SNAndyHoag |
10:09 | O'Farrell making a point during his cross: pic.twitter.com/8IBcwj7W  Thursday October 4, 2012 10:09 SNAndyHoag |
10:10 | Bowman answering one of O'Farrell's questions: pic.twitter.com/zairSzvR  Thursday October 4, 2012 10:10 SNAndyHoag |
10:14 | O'Farrell shows Bowman two more pictures, focusing on a box with papers and other items in the backseat of the Aztek. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:14 SNAndyHoag |
10:15 | O'Farrell focuses on an exam glove seen in a close-up of the box. Appears to be substance on the outside of the glove. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:15 SNAndyHoag |
10:16 | Bowman questions whether pictures are from the backseat of the Aztek. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:16 SNAndyHoag |
10:18 | Bowman says two photos not taken by MSP lab. "No indication" anybody else took photos before they did. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:18 SNAndyHoag |
10:21 | RT "@malanie810: do you know if Bluew's cruiser was equipped with a camera ?" >> I don't know, no Thursday October 4, 2012 10:21 SNAndyHoag |
10:22 | A bench conference to discuss the pictures. I think O'Farrell wants to show them on the computer, but needs the prosecution's ... Thursday October 4, 2012 10:22 SNAndyHoag |
10:22 | ... help, because they have to figure out which CD the pictures are on. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:22 SNAndyHoag |
10:23 | And with that, we break until 1:30. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:23 SNAndyHoag |
10:40 | O'Farrell and Bowman at the witness stand: pic.twitter.com/tLCpqqTQ  Thursday October 4, 2012 10:40 SNAndyHoag |
10:40 | Bluew looks on: pic.twitter.com/Q4bXhvgH  Thursday October 4, 2012 10:40 SNAndyHoag |
10:49 | RT "@tvalentine75: that was a waste of time #myopinion" >> you mean the hour we were in court? Might as well squeeze it in while they can. Thursday October 4, 2012 10:49 SNAndyHoag |
10:55 | RT "@jessacastillo: can you post the live feed link so people can view when court does come back please" >> yes but won't have link til 1:30 Thursday October 4, 2012 10:55 SNAndyHoag |
1:34 | Back in court here, waiting for the #bluewtrial to resume after a welcomed long recess. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:34 SNAndyHoag |
1:38 | I'll post a link to the live video as soon as we get started here. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:38 SNAndyHoag |
1:48 | And we're back, with O'Farrell still on cross-examination of Valerie Bowman from the MSP. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:48 SNAndyHoag |
1:49 | O'Farrell says he created confusion re: photographs. Bowman says 2 of photos taken by lab ppl, another taken by someone else after search. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:49 SNAndyHoag |
1:49 | Live video: mlive.com/news/saginaw/i… Thursday October 4, 2012 1:49 SNAndyHoag |
1:52 | O'Farrell going through other photos with Bowman. Some of these were taken before Bowman and others started processing/examining the Aztek. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:52 SNAndyHoag |
1:59 | We're working on the live feed issues, sorry for the inconvenience. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:59 SNAndyHoag |
1:59 | 14 photos admitted into evidence at O'Farrell's request. No objection from prosecution. Thursday October 4, 2012 1:59 SNAndyHoag |
2:02 | O'Farrell asking about the autopsy, specifically Webb's clothes and when/how they were removed. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:02 SNAndyHoag |
2:04 | O'Farrell confirming that tip of exam glove not seen until Bowman pulled clothes from drying chamber on Sept. 14. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:04 SNAndyHoag |
2:05 | Bowman: Nobody saw glove tip at autopsy, can't say what article of clothing tip came from. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:05 SNAndyHoag |
2:08 | O'Farrell asking about scraping of fingernails. Bowman separated left hand from right hand, but didn't separate finger by finger. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:08 SNAndyHoag |
2:12 | O'Farrell asking about the uniform Bluew said he wore and Bowman is saying appeared unworn. Bowman found hairs on ... Thursday October 4, 2012 2:12 SNAndyHoag |
2:12 | ... socks, which did appear to be worn, and one on shirt. Because shirt and socks were in same bad, Bowman can't ... Thursday October 4, 2012 2:12 SNAndyHoag |
2:13 | ... say which article of clothing each hair came from. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:13 SNAndyHoag |
2:14 | Bowman: Can't definitively determine where blood stains that are determined to be "transfer" stains come from. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:14 SNAndyHoag |
2:15 | RT "@MsJMunny: Links working now!! Thanks for all your coverage on this." >> great, you're welcome. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:15 SNAndyHoag |
2:16 | Bowman: After finding glove tip, didn't look through box of gloves seized from Bluew's vehicle. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:16 SNAndyHoag |
2:20 | RT @Apsey2006: @SNAndyHoag the link on mlive takes me back to day 4 but it says it is day 7 link can you help? Thursday October 4, 2012 2:20 SNAndyHoag |
2:20 | .@Apsey2006 not sure why that is happening. Here's the link: mlive.com/news/saginaw/i… Thursday October 4, 2012 2:20 SNAndyHoag |
2:21 | O'Farrell gives the jury 18 photos -- by my count -- to the jury to view. This will take a little while. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:21 SNAndyHoag |
2:33 | Jury is done looking at photos, and O'Farrell is done with his cross. Stroud back up for re-direct. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:33 SNAndyHoag |
2:35 | Stroud going back to O'Farrell's line of questioning about articles of clothing "co-mingling," and Stroud implies that O'Farrell's ... Thursday October 4, 2012 2:35 SNAndyHoag |
2:36 | ... point was that blood on Webb's clothing could be "transfer" stains in similar fashion. Stroud has Bowman reiterate that ... Thursday October 4, 2012 2:36 SNAndyHoag |
2:37 | ... the stains on Webb's shirt were "droplet"-type stains, not "transfer" stains. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:37 SNAndyHoag |
2:38 | Bowman: Flip flops, the right one of which has a "transfer" stain, never were in contact with Webb's clothing. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:38 SNAndyHoag |
2:42 | Stroud asking Bowman to explain her efforts to not contaminate evidence in her lab or at scenes. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:42 SNAndyHoag |
2:47 | Stroud asks more clarification follow-ups, and he's done. O'Farrell back up. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:47 SNAndyHoag |
2:48 | Bowman acknowledges that clothes from autopsy usually wet, which is why they were put in drying area. But wet clothes ... Thursday October 4, 2012 2:48 SNAndyHoag |
2:49 | ... "more conducive" for transferring of blood, Bowman agrees. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:49 SNAndyHoag |
2:50 | Bowman agrees that despite her efforts against contamination, can't do anything with already-contaminated evidence. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:50 SNAndyHoag |
2:52 | And Bowman is finally done with her testimony. Next witness is Lisa Ramos, DNA expert from the MSP. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:52 SNAndyHoag |
2:53 | Ramos has been processing DNA for nearly 8 years. As with other experts, she'll go through her education/professional experience. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:53 SNAndyHoag |
2:55 | Ramos: Testified as an expert "at least 20 times." Thursday October 4, 2012 2:55 SNAndyHoag |
2:56 | Again, no comment from O'Farrell. Ramos will be recognized as expert. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:56 SNAndyHoag |
2:58 | And now Ramos gets to explain what DNA analysis is, and how it is done. Forgive me for not getting too in-depth with my recap here. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:58 SNAndyHoag |
2:59 | Ramos: "Don't need a lot of DNA" to conduct tests. Thursday October 4, 2012 2:59 SNAndyHoag |
3:01 | Ramos begins her testimony: pic.twitter.com/6q6Hacql  Thursday October 4, 2012 3:01 SNAndyHoag |
3:13 | RT "@jessacastillo: why was court so short today" >> just how it goes sometimes. Not every day is 9-5 straight through. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:13 SNAndyHoag |
3:15 | Alright, now we're actually getting to the samples. First talking about blood samples of Webb and the fetus, buccal swab of Bluew. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:15 SNAndyHoag |
3:18 | Ramos: "Asked to conduct paternity analysis." First establishes whether there's possible inheritance from father, then ... Thursday October 4, 2012 3:18 SNAndyHoag |
3:19 | ... does statistical analysis. Thankfully, we'll get a chart with her results. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:19 SNAndyHoag |
3:20 | Not so thankfully, the chart is so small we can't read it. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:20 SNAndyHoag |
3:25 | Ramos: Statistical finding: 1.2 million times more likely that Bluew is father than random person from Caucasian population. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:25 SNAndyHoag |
3:26 | Ramos: 7.2 million for African Americans; 381.4 for Hispanic. These three groups used because they are Michigan's three largest groups. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:26 SNAndyHoag |
3:28 | The big picture: Ramos says "it was consistent that he was the father." Thursday October 4, 2012 3:28 SNAndyHoag |
3:28 | And now, we're taking a break. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:28 SNAndyHoag |
3:29 | Ramos explains the paternity chart: pic.twitter.com/1HaOwbQJ  Thursday October 4, 2012 3:29 SNAndyHoag |
3:52 | And we're back. We'll get to the other evidence now. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:52 SNAndyHoag |
3:53 | Ramos asked to explain "single source," which is only one DNA donor in a sample. "Mixed source" is more than 1 source. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:53 SNAndyHoag |
3:54 | Ramos: A mixed source can have "major" donors and "minor" donors. Also could have equal donors. In that situation, the term used is ... Thursday October 4, 2012 3:54 SNAndyHoag |
3:55 | ... "cannot exclude," in that they know there are multiple donors but can't determine who is "major" and thus can't exclude donors as such. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:55 SNAndyHoag |
3:56 | Ramos: "A number of samples" that had Bluew as single source of sample. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:56 SNAndyHoag |
3:58 | Ramos: For these samples, odds that donor could have same DNA profile as Bluew are 1 in 93.4 quadrillion for Caucasian population. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:58 SNAndyHoag |
3:59 | Focusing now on blood stains on Wastewater driveway, flip flop, and rear car door. Thursday October 4, 2012 3:59 SNAndyHoag |
4:01 | Ramos: Flip flop stain matched Bluew's DNA profile. Driveway stain matched Webb's DNA profile. Car door stain matched Bluew. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:01 SNAndyHoag |
4:01 | Ramos: All three stains are single source. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:01 SNAndyHoag |
4:03 | Ramos: Probability of donor in driveway stain having same DNA profile as Webb is 1 in 22.6 quadrillion for Caucasian population. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:03 SNAndyHoag |
4:04 | Now onto swabs from under Webb's fingernails, stains on Webb's shirt, pants, bra, inside portion of piece of glove. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:04 SNAndyHoag |
4:08 | Ramos: Left fingernails: Mixed sample, analyzing only male donor, as other donor matched Webb. Male donor matches Bluew. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:08 SNAndyHoag |
4:08 | Ramos: Shirt: Single source, matches Bluew; Pants: Single source, matches Bluew; Bra: Single source, matches Bluew; and ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:08 SNAndyHoag |
4:09 | ... Glove: Single source, matches Bluew Thursday October 4, 2012 4:09 SNAndyHoag |
4:12 | RT "@TrayDei: How's the reaction in the court room?" >> silence, mostly, almost in a "this is important, we have to hear this" way. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:12 SNAndyHoag |
4:13 | Ramos showing a PowerPoint presentation she prepared in regards to the results I just tweeted about. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:13 SNAndyHoag |
4:14 | This also includes the Winston cigarette butt on the Wastewater driveway. Matches Bluew. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:14 SNAndyHoag |
4:17 | Stay with me here, going to try to list stains that matched Bluew, but trying to get them all. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:17 SNAndyHoag |
4:20 | From vehicle matching Bluew: Both "B pillars, foam tube in rear cargo area, 4 o'clock position of steering wheel ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:20 SNAndyHoag |
4:20 | ... rear passenger seat back near center, rear passenger door opening, rear passenger seat. May have missed a couple. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:20 SNAndyHoag |
4:21 | Others matching Bluew: "CE" on tactical vest, all nine stains on duty pants, lettering on t-shirt, interior door of his vehicle ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:21 SNAndyHoag |
4:22 | ... police vehicle steering wheel, radio mic. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:22 SNAndyHoag |
4:22 | Matching Webb: driveway, neckline of her shit, the hoop earring and stud earring from her car, and "driver rear door molding." Thursday October 4, 2012 4:22 SNAndyHoag |
4:23 | All of those I just listed are "single source," so there are not other donors on these stains, Ramos says. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:23 SNAndyHoag |
4:28 | Stains that had mixture of donors: Outside of disposable glove, neither Webb nor Bluew can be excluded ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:28 SNAndyHoag |
4:29 | ... swabs from Webb's right fingernails match Webb and a male donor, from which Bluew cannot be excluded ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:29 SNAndyHoag |
4:30 | ... swabs from extension cord around Webb's neck - neither Webb nor Bluew can be excluded. This stain not as ... Thursday October 4, 2012 4:30 SNAndyHoag |
4:30 | strong quality-wise, so probabilities of another donor other than Webb/Bluew are much more likely. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:30 SNAndyHoag |
4:30 | And we've broke for the day. Whew. That was a lot of information I just took in. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:30 SNAndyHoag |
4:31 | We'll return at 9 a.m. tomorrow. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:31 SNAndyHoag |
4:31 | Closing the MLive chat. As always, post questions on Twitter or MLive comment stream. Thursday October 4, 2012 4:31 SNAndyHoag |
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