iPhone Fring: VoIP
8:57
ericasadun: 
I have an iPhone.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 8:57 ericasadun
8:57
ericasadun: 
I have a paperclip.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 8:57 ericasadun
8:58
ericasadun: 
I have downloaded a copy of Fring.app from http://www.fring.com/iphone/Fring.app.zip
Tuesday April 15, 2008 8:58 ericasadun
9:00
ericasadun: 
I hate that Installer.app puts apps where it wants them to be not where I want them to be. Easier to download directly. Want to know how? Go to the xml source for Installer, in this case http://www.fring.com/iphone.xml and locate the zip download directly. Then copy to the iPhone and use core's unzip utility (http://wickedpsyched.com/iphone/unixtools) to install
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:00 ericasadun
9:01
ericasadun: 
As I'm waiting for this post to go live, I'm setting up an afp connection to my iPhone, copying over the software, unzipping it and checking permissions.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:01 ericasadun
9:02
ericasadun: 
So what is Fring? It's free VoIP and I'm told that it's finally a solution that works.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:02 ericasadun
9:04
ericasadun: 
I've tried VoIP on the iPhone before using SIPPhone and it was not a good implementation. I could occasionally get it to dial out but I couldn't ever hear any conversation. Ring: yes.   Voice: no.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:04 ericasadun
9:05
[Comment From nobodynobody: ] 
I love Apple
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:05 nobody
9:06
ericasadun: 
Well, it's loaded
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:06 ericasadun
9:06
ericasadun: 
First impression: the icon is adorable but its a bit too small.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:06 ericasadun
9:06
ericasadun: 
It doesn't match the standard iPhone sizing guidelines (57x57 pixels)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:06 ericasadun
9:06
ericasadun: 
Loading now
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:06 ericasadun
9:07
ericasadun: 
The communities setup screen shows Skype, MSN Messenger, ICQ, sIP, Google Talk, Twitter (chat only), Yahoo (chat only), AIM chat only
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:07 ericasadun
9:07
ericasadun: 
I tapped on AIM
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:07 ericasadun
9:07
ericasadun: 
It wants my User ID and password
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:07 ericasadun
9:07
ericasadun: 
Adding those now

Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:07 ericasadun
9:09
[Comment From gmangman: ] 
Do you like their interface?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:09 gman
9:09
ericasadun: 
It's pretty nice. I'm trying to upload a picture
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:09 ericasadun
9:09
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Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:09 
9:10
[Comment From SeanSean: ] 
Is data conversion done by the app on the phone itself or is audio shipped off to a server somewhere?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:10 Sean
9:10
ericasadun: 
Sean, I don't know yet.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:10 ericasadun
9:10
ericasadun: 
Give me a sec to type in my user id and password. brb
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:10 ericasadun
9:10
ericasadun: 
Well I'll be!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:10 ericasadun
9:11
ericasadun: 
My entire AIM buddy list is there
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:11 ericasadun
9:11
ericasadun: 
Tapped on mike rose's chat icon
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:11 ericasadun
9:11
ericasadun: 
And I've sent him off an AIM message
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:11 ericasadun
9:12
ericasadun: 
Over on my mac, the AOL System manager is complaining that I've logged in twice
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 ericasadun
9:12
ericasadun: 
So AIM definitely works
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 ericasadun
9:12
ericasadun: 
Now on to Skype

Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 ericasadun
9:12
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Do you think this will work over EDGE?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 Guest
9:12
ericasadun: 
Mike just responded (loudly!)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 ericasadun
9:12
ericasadun: 
so yes, the AIM connection works fine
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:12 ericasadun
9:13
ericasadun: 
I'd screen cap--but I'm not sure Mike wants his AIM addy sent
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:13
ericasadun: 
Guest; It's only supposed to be for WiFi
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:13
ericasadun: 
That could be legal
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:13
ericasadun: 
That could be technological
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:13
[Comment From SteveSteve: ] 
You shouldn't tryp AIM, because it's chat only. we should have a real voip call
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 Steve
9:13
ericasadun: 
Good point
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:13
ericasadun: 
I've typed in my Skype login info
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:13 ericasadun
9:14
ericasadun: 
And it's sitting here waiting for it to finish connecting
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:14 ericasadun
9:14
ericasadun: 
The skype okay is takin a little longer than I...never mind. It's through.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:14 ericasadun
9:14
ericasadun: 
And I just messed up!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:14 ericasadun
9:15
ericasadun: 
By tapping skype a second time it unsubscribed me.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:15 ericasadun
9:15
ericasadun: 
So I'm waiting for it to re-subscribe right now
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:15 ericasadun
9:15
[Comment From froopfroop: ] 
yuck
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:15 froop
9:15
ericasadun: 
Agreed
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:15 ericasadun
9:15
[Comment From JosephJoseph: ] 
What happened?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:15 Joseph
9:16
ericasadun: 
On the main page, there's a list of services and checks--checks mean you have subscribed. I accidentally tapped on skype and so now I'm waiting to RE-subscribe
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 ericasadun
9:16
[Comment From hihi: ] 
i like cheese
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 hi
9:16
ericasadun: 
Bon Fromage
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 ericasadun
9:16
[Comment From MarkMark: ] 
Well iPhone 2.0 has built in AIM for EDGE anyway
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 Mark
9:16
ericasadun: 
That's a good point
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 ericasadun
9:16
[Comment From gmangman: ] 
Now so Skype is The VOIP client app?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 gman
9:16
ericasadun: 
Yes, I'm trying to use SkypeOut
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 ericasadun
9:16
ericasadun: 
And I'm still waiting on skype to go through. That's the current delay.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:16 ericasadun
9:17
[Comment From JamieJamie: ] 
So it will be possible to call a friends iPhone for free using Skype over WiFi or 3G?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:17 Jamie
9:17
ericasadun: 
That's what we're testing out today
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:17 ericasadun
9:17
[Comment From weezyweezy: ] 
what is skype?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:17 weezy
9:18
ericasadun: 
Skype is a for-pay VoIP service. Visit http://skype.com/ for details
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:18 ericasadun
9:18
ericasadun: 
It's very reasonably priced
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:18 ericasadun
9:18
[Comment From SteveSteve: ] 
VOIP over EDGE or 3G won't work, Apple announced
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:18 Steve
9:18
ericasadun: 
Apple has said that AppStore will not allow VoIP over EDGE or 3G but I'm pretty sure that someone somewhere will try.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:18 ericasadun
9:19
[Comment From gmangman: ] 
there has to be a patch for VOIP over EDGE
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 gman
9:19
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
will this work for iPod touch?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 Guest
9:19
ericasadun: 
Unfortunately, I cannot test with the iPod touch today. It's runninng the wrong OS
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 ericasadun
9:19
ericasadun: 
My iPhone is running 1.1.4 that has been jailbroken courtesy of iLiberty+
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 ericasadun
9:19
ericasadun: 
My iPod touch is running developer firmware
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 ericasadun
9:19
ericasadun: 
And stuff that runs under 1.1.4 will not run under 1.2
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:19 ericasadun
9:20
ericasadun: 
And I'm *still* waiting for Skype.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:20 ericasadun
9:20
ericasadun: 
I've hit the home button now and will try again
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:20 ericasadun
9:20
ericasadun: 
Hah. When I go back into Fring, it's still trying to connect to Skype

Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:20 ericasadun
9:21
ericasadun: 
I'm force-quitting
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:21 ericasadun
9:21
ericasadun: 
to do that, press and hold the home button for about 8 seconds
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:21 ericasadun
9:21
ericasadun: 
I'm going to try SIP instead
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:21 ericasadun
9:21
ericasadun: 
I have a Gizmo project account
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:21 ericasadun
9:22
ericasadun: 
When I tap the dialer, I'm given a choice whether to use SIP or Skype out
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:22 ericasadun
9:22
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Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:22 
9:24
ericasadun: 
I've set up with my Gizmo Project account and I used the following for my proxy setting: proxy01.sipphone.com:5060
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:24 ericasadun
9:24
ericasadun: 
I'm about to try a call
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:24 ericasadun
9:25
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Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:25 
9:25
ericasadun: 
I called myself.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:25 ericasadun
9:25
ericasadun: 
And it made the phone ring
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:25 ericasadun
9:25
ericasadun: 
And I could say hello to myself and hear myself.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:25 ericasadun
9:25
ericasadun: 
Anyone want to volunteer for a call?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:25 ericasadun
9:26
ericasadun: 
Put your number in the comments and I wont' publish it
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:26 ericasadun
9:26
ericasadun: 
I'm going to try to call Alan
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:26 ericasadun
9:26
ericasadun: 
I hope I got that right
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:26 ericasadun
9:27
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
I can hear stuff, but it seems to be on delay.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:27 Alan
9:27
ericasadun: 
I've hung up now.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:27 ericasadun
9:27
ericasadun: 
I could hear myself
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:27 ericasadun
9:28
ericasadun: 
but not Alan
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 ericasadun
9:28
ericasadun: 
Just echos
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 ericasadun
9:28
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
did you hear anything?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 Alan
9:28
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
i heard you say a couple of things, crystal clear
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 Alan
9:28
ericasadun: 
I didn't hear anything from you. :(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 ericasadun
9:28
ericasadun: 
Time to try again with SkypeOut
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 ericasadun
9:28
ericasadun: 
Once again, please be patient!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:28 ericasadun
9:29
ericasadun: 
Tapped subscribe--and it's a wait. Again.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 ericasadun
9:29
ericasadun: 
While I'm waiting for the Skype subscription to get okayed, any questions?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 ericasadun
9:29
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
Fun times. Sounds like its not quite ready for prime time. :)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 Alan
9:29
[Comment From walviswalvis: ] 
registering... already 10 minutes or so
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 walvis
9:29
ericasadun: 
Walvis: Maybe their connection to skype is down today?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 ericasadun
9:29
ericasadun: 
I got it to work earlier
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:29 ericasadun
9:30
ericasadun: 
And then sadly, I tapped on the community link and it unregistered
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 ericasadun
9:30
[Comment From RyRy: ] 
How good are Skype connections usually? any lag or echoes?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 Ry
9:30
ericasadun: 
I use skype out all the time to talk to family and for business. No lag, no echos.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 ericasadun
9:30
ericasadun: 
The TUAW talk cast is done with skype
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 ericasadun
9:30
[Comment From IvanIvan: ] 
So you're using Fring VOIP now or SKYPE?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 Ivan
9:30
ericasadun: 
I am testing out Fring and trying to set it up to use my skypeout account
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:30 ericasadun
9:31
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
Do you know if it uses the offical Skype API?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 Alan
9:31
ericasadun: 
My guess would be yes
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 ericasadun
9:31
[Comment From frankfrank: ] 
I like big butts...
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 frank
9:31
ericasadun: 
Thank you Sir Mixalot
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 ericasadun
9:31
[Comment From dirtybirddirtybird: ] 
Do you have to have a strong WiFi sig?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 dirtybird
9:31
ericasadun: 
My guess would again be yes
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 ericasadun
9:31
ericasadun: 
You're going to want to be able to send data up and down the Wifi connection
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 ericasadun
9:31
ericasadun: 
Reliably without losing your signal
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:31 ericasadun
9:32
ericasadun: 
I'm sitting about 18 inches from my WiFi hotspot
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 ericasadun
9:32
[Comment From IvanIvan: ] 
I guess he could not lie
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 Ivan
9:32
ericasadun: 
surely, Ivan.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 ericasadun
9:32
[Comment From prybarprybar: ] 
is this an alpha or beta release, or is it a final version?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 prybar
9:32
ericasadun: 
It's hard to tell. Go over to the http://www.fring.com/iphone page
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 ericasadun
9:32
ericasadun: 
And I'm *still* waiting on SkypeOut
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:32 ericasadun
9:33
[Comment From AUKAUK: ] 
Skype in the uk seems to be down
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:33 AUK
9:33
[Comment From IvanIvan: ] 
So Fring is a frontend Application that uses the SKYPE API?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:33 Ivan
9:33
ericasadun: 
Yes, Ivan. For Skype, AIM, Yahoo etc. Scroll up. I pasted the names of all the services
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:33 ericasadun
9:33
[Comment From GavroshGavrosh: ] 
Probably a stupid question, I'm installing right now and I have no clue how to install the SIP Setup within fring
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:33 Gavrosh
9:34
ericasadun: 
In order to do the SIP setup, tap communinties and then tap SIP
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:34 ericasadun
9:34
ericasadun: 
You'll need your user id, your password and your SIP server's proxy
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:34 ericasadun
9:34
ericasadun: 
You may have to google around to find that last bit
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:34 ericasadun
9:35
[Comment From SamSam: ] 
skypeout (not in fring) just worked for me in the US.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:35 Sam
9:36
ericasadun: 
I'm on the phone right now with Roy
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:36 ericasadun
9:36
ericasadun: 
We have live two-way communiccation
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:36 ericasadun
9:36
ericasadun: 
I'm using my Gizmo account minutes
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:36 ericasadun
9:36
ericasadun: 
As with Allen, there's a delay but I can hear Roy fine and he can hear me and the quality of the signal seems good
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:36 ericasadun
9:37
ericasadun: 
Roy's going to comment with his impression
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:37 ericasadun
9:37
[Comment From RyRy: ] 
Do you know how AT&T can stop VOIP over EDGE or 3G?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:37 Ry
9:37
ericasadun: 
By cancelling your account?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:37 ericasadun
9:37
[Comment From WheelerwWheelerw: ] 
Sorry, this may be a dumb question, but what is SIP?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:37 Wheelerw
9:38
ericasadun: 
SIP is a Voice-over-IP protocol.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 ericasadun
9:38
[Comment From walviswalvis: ] 
account setup does not work (multiple ID's tested, all refused)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 walvis
9:38
[Comment From dinkodinko: ] 
have you tried this with ipod touch?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 dinko
9:38
ericasadun: 
Dinko, unfortunately, I cannot test this with my iPod touch
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 ericasadun
9:38
[Comment From RoyRoy: ] 
Very clear, crystal clear. Just a significant delay that causes antural conversing to be a little difficult.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 Roy
9:38
ericasadun: 
It's a bit awkward when your conversational timing is off
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 ericasadun
9:38
ericasadun: 
Sound quality excellent
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:38 ericasadun
9:39
ericasadun: 
But for someone who didn't know you were on a SIP phone, kinda off
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 ericasadun
9:39
[Comment From Speed8umpSpeed8ump: ] 
SIP is something google can define :)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 Speed8ump
9:39
[Comment From IvanIvan: ] 
it's what you do with a Kool-Aid juice box.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 Ivan
9:39
[Comment From SirCrumpetSirCrumpet: ] 
Would you say its usable for general use, quality wise, or is it more of a novelty that you will ignore and just use the main phone instead?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 SirCrumpet
9:39
ericasadun: 
I would say "No", not ready for prime time
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 ericasadun
9:39
ericasadun: 
But that could be due to the SIP server
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 ericasadun
9:39
ericasadun: 
If I could try with Skype Out which is what i normally use
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 ericasadun
9:39
ericasadun: 
I might have a different answer
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:39 ericasadun
9:40
ericasadun: 
Has anyone been able to use Fring with Skype yet?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:40 ericasadun
9:40
[Comment From AlanAlan: ] 
The sound from you, Erica, was awesome. Like you said, it would be awesome, assuming there wasn't a huge lag in sound.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:40 Alan
9:40
[Comment From SamSam: ] 
Does the delay happen in both directions?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:40 Sam
9:40
ericasadun: 
I was   definitely hearing a delay and so was roy
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:40 ericasadun
9:40
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Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:40 
9:41
[Comment From dirtybirddirtybird: ] 
Is there a difference between regular Skype and Skype Out?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:41 dirtybird
9:41
ericasadun: 
Skype Out lets you call people on normal phones. You dial out from the Skype network into the normal land-line connection
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:41 ericasadun
9:41
ericasadun: 
So when I skype out to my Mom, she picks up on her home phone
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:41 ericasadun
9:42
ericasadun: 
It costs very little per year and is the only non-cellphone long distance we have in our home
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:42 ericasadun
9:42
[Comment From GavroshGavrosh: ] 
Is there any SIP server I can subsribe to? Google doesn't show me, only SIP SW...
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:42 Gavrosh
9:42
ericasadun: 
I use GizmoProject because it's pretty easy to sign up. I used Yahoo to pay for it
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:42 ericasadun
9:42
ericasadun: 
I bought like $10 of it to test with the iPod touch VOIP thing a while back
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:42 ericasadun
9:42
ericasadun: 
I never could get that to work
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:42 ericasadun
9:44
ericasadun: 
And I'm ready to try skype out
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:44 ericasadun
9:44
[Comment From JoshJosh: ] 
I'm sorry, have you gotten SkypeOut to work yet?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:44 Josh
9:44
ericasadun: 
SKYPE IS LIVE
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:44 ericasadun
9:44
ericasadun: 
Unfortunately, it won't make a phone call. :( :( :(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:44 ericasadun
9:44
ericasadun: 
I'm trying to place a call and it just bounces back to the fring screen
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:44 ericasadun
9:45
[Comment From MikeTRoseMikeTRose: ] 
I'm skyping up
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:45 MikeTRose
9:45
ericasadun: 
I'm on the phone Right Now via skype with Mike Rose
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:45 ericasadun
9:46
ericasadun: 
He saw that my account was live on Skype
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:46 ericasadun
9:46
ericasadun: 
He called directly skype-to-skype
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:46 ericasadun
9:46
ericasadun: 
Sound quality perfect
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:46 ericasadun
9:46
ericasadun: 
There *is* a lag
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:46 ericasadun
9:47
ericasadun: 
We did the old count with me trick
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:47 ericasadun
9:47
ericasadun: 
As he counted to ten, I synced my numbers to his
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:47 ericasadun
9:47
ericasadun: 
He heard about a 2 second delay between my numbers and his
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:47 ericasadun
9:47
ericasadun: 
It's not dramatically worse than a normal conversation but it's noticable
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:47 ericasadun
9:48
ericasadun: 
What's particularly cool about the whole chat with Mike was that my Fring client *rang*
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:48 ericasadun
9:48
ericasadun: 
It let me know that I had an incoming SIP call.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:48 ericasadun
9:48
ericasadun: 
No caller id
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:48 ericasadun
9:49
ericasadun: 
Just that a call was being placed. I could accept or reject
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 ericasadun
9:49
ericasadun: 
Also no way so far to put this on speaker.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 ericasadun
9:49
ericasadun: 
I had to hold the phone to my neck and ear (ouch!) while typing
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 ericasadun
9:49
[Comment From MikeTRoseMikeTRose: ] 
The audio quality was about the same as a regular Skype call, maybe a bit more room noise and the 2-second delay... but not bad at all.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 MikeTRose
9:49
[Comment From MikeTRoseMikeTRose: ] 
Now I need to a) jailbreak my touch and b) find a mic that will work for it. :-)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 MikeTRose
9:49
[Comment From prybarprybar: ] 
was fring running at the time?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:49 prybar
9:50
ericasadun: 
Yes, fring was running as I was trying to place an outgoing skype-out call
It would not let me
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:50 ericasadun
9:50
MikeTRose: 
Erica showed up in my Skype buddy list so I called her.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:50 MikeTRose
9:51
MikeTRose: 
Anyone have a suggestion for a mic/headphone combo for the touch? Or will the iPhone headphones work?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:51 MikeTRose
9:51
MikeTRose: 
Erica just called me!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:51 MikeTRose
9:51
ericasadun: 
I'm going to try to call Mike now using my buddy list
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:51 ericasadun
9:52
ericasadun: 
So far nothing. This is a normal Skype buddy list, not a skype out connection
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 ericasadun
9:52
MikeTRose: 
I hear her fine.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 MikeTRose
9:52
ericasadun: 
I can't hear him
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 ericasadun
9:52
MikeTRose: 
I can hear her, but she can't hear me. :-(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 MikeTRose
9:52
MikeTRose: 
Ah, much better.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 MikeTRose
9:52
ericasadun: 
Called again. This time I can hear him--just.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:52 ericasadun
9:53
MikeTRose: 
She's fading out
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:53 MikeTRose
9:53
MikeTRose: 
Now I can't hear her at all.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:53 MikeTRose
9:53
ericasadun: 
So buddy-to-buddy calls do work if placed on the iPhone but--not so great.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:53 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
the quality when received was fabulous
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
So your mileage can and will vary
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
Here are a few things you need to know
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
We have NOT tested this yet on the iPod touch
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
If you do this on the touch you'll need to add a microphone
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
touchmods.net sells pre-amped iPod touch microphones
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:54
ericasadun: 
You need that pre-amp or you will not be able to be heard
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:54 ericasadun
9:55
ericasadun: 
They cost about $70 or so. I forget the exact amount
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:55 ericasadun
9:55
ericasadun: 
Today we've tested SIP with Gizmo Project
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:55 ericasadun
9:55
ericasadun: 
It worked--albeit with huge lag times
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:55 ericasadun
9:55
ericasadun: 
(And thanks again Alan and Roy)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:55 ericasadun
9:55
ericasadun: 
Today we've tested Skype Out. It did not work
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:55 ericasadun
9:56
ericasadun: 
Today we've tested regular Skype calls
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:56 ericasadun
9:56
ericasadun: 
They worked great when placed to the iPhone
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:56 ericasadun
9:56
ericasadun: 
Not great when placed from the iPhone.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:56 ericasadun
9:56
ericasadun: 
If you get a bad connection try hanging up and trying again
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:56 ericasadun
9:56
ericasadun: 
This was a skype-to-skype conversation. My iPhone phone number was NOT used
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:56 ericasadun
9:57
ericasadun: 
Any final questions?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 ericasadun
9:57
[Comment From RobRob: ] 
They're at Ridax, http://home.swipnet.se/ridax/touchmic.htm, 30 euros
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 Rob
9:57
[Comment From RoyRoy: ] 
Hi guys, I'm from fring and just wanted to thank you for testing the version and for your feedbacks
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 Roy
9:57
[Comment From ZiggyZiggy: ] 
Have you tried iskype? what is the difference between these?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 Ziggy
9:57
ericasadun: 
I have not tried iSkype
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 ericasadun
9:57
[Comment From Steve JrSteve Jr: ] 
I caught wind of a mic you can make with parts you can buy from Radio Shack. It wasnt that expensive
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 Steve Jr
9:57
MikeTRose: 
Roy, I love step 1 of your deployment instructions:
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 MikeTRose
9:57
ericasadun: 
There are full do it yourself instructions for making a pre-amped mic at the touchmods site
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 ericasadun
9:57
MikeTRose: 
In order to install fring, you need to have your iPhone “opened” first to accept 3rd party applications. Refer to the Internet for details.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 MikeTRose
9:57
[Comment From dizildizil: ] 
so you can only skype live talk with buddies
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:57 dizil
9:58
ericasadun: 
So far, yes.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 ericasadun
9:58
[Comment From SeanSean: ] 
Did you figure out if processing is done on the phone? What is the CPU utilization during a call? Does the screen turn off using the proximity sensor as with the normal phone app?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 Sean
9:58
ericasadun: 
The screen did not turn off
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 ericasadun
9:58
[Comment From ThomasThomas: ] 
Skype-Out worked. Try +1-AreaCode-PhoneNumber
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 Thomas
9:58
ericasadun: 
D'oh! I didn't try that
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 ericasadun
9:58
ericasadun: 
Let me try with the +1
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:58 ericasadun
9:59
ericasadun: 
I tried--and it made the program crash
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:59 ericasadun
9:59
ericasadun: 
:(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:59 ericasadun
9:59
ericasadun: 
I'll try again later
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:59 ericasadun
9:59
[Comment From IZIZ: ] 
anyone knows the SIP server address for Gizmo5?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:59 IZ
9:59
ericasadun: 
I pasted it above. Just scroll up
Tuesday April 15, 2008 9:59 ericasadun
10:00
ericasadun: 
Yes, this works with the gizmo project
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 ericasadun
10:00
[Comment From IvanIvan: ] 
Peace out Cub Scouts
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 Ivan
10:00
ericasadun: 
And to you too
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 ericasadun
10:00
[Comment From kevinkevin: ] 
Yes. skypeout details would be awesome
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 kevin
10:00
[Comment From lancelance: ] 
i know this is purely speculative, but do you think skype is working on its own app?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 lance
10:00
ericasadun: 
I certainly hope so
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 ericasadun
10:00
[Comment From surfsurf: ] 
http://fring.com/iphone.xml does not work :(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 surf
10:00
ericasadun: 
It works for me
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:00 ericasadun
10:01
ericasadun: 
Perhaps you want to look at that page in Safari or Firefox
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 ericasadun
10:01
[Comment From JennyJenny: ] 
I work for Skype and it is on the roadmap
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 Jenny
10:01
ericasadun: 
Jenny, can you paste some contact info into the sidebar. We won't publish the comment
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 ericasadun
10:01
[Comment From MattMatt: ] 
It worked for me also.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 Matt
10:01
[Comment From prybarprybar: ] 
works for me, installed ok, just refuses to start..:(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 prybar
10:01
[Comment From Bob ShandBob Shand: ] 
Just been trying this... my phone is now not responding to any touch nor button inputs :(
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 Bob Shand
10:01
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Erica, which category is fring placed under (if you didnt say already)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:01 Guest
10:02
ericasadun: 
I didn't install it with Installer.app. No idea.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:02 ericasadun
10:02
[Comment From kevinkevin: ] 
I doubt it... Skype has THE WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE... and it seems like have done little innovation over the past while... I hope eBay sells them so skype can get back to new featueres and more quality
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:02 kevin
10:02
[Comment From prybarprybar: ] 
under the fring category
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:02 prybar
10:02
[Comment From cyclonefrcyclonefr: ] 
ive tried SIP and crashed when called
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:02 cyclonefr
10:02
[Comment From bezmanbezman: ] 
fring has its own category once you add the source
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:02 bezman
10:03
[Comment From AlexAlex: ] 
Hi does this app also work with voipbuster?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 Alex
10:03
ericasadun: 
I do not know.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 ericasadun
10:03
[Comment From thomaslittlethomaslittle: ] 
you have to add fring source
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 thomaslittle
10:03
[Comment From VikVik: ] 
Hi I just tested it with my SIP server, the quality great and the delay is there due to the wifi connection (i had a similar delay with my wifi phone)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 Vik
10:03
[Comment From Francisco RomeroFrancisco Romero: ] 
How about working with my asterisk server @ the office?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 Francisco Romero
10:03
ericasadun: 
I did not see anything about Asterisk support--but if you have a proxy, shouldn't you be able to use it with SIP?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 ericasadun
10:03
[Comment From ThomasThomas: ] 
Just tried SkypeOut again with +1, 100% working, good quality, 1-2 second delay
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 Thomas
10:03
[Comment From thomaslittlethomaslittle: ] 
has anyone tried using with google talk? seems my buddies dont show in list
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 thomaslittle
10:03
[Comment From lobolobo: ] 
yes it works with voipbuster, is a SIP service like others
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 lobo
10:03
[Comment From VikVik: ] 
Francisco: I just tested it with my astersk server - works like a charm
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:03 Vik
10:04
ericasadun: 
That's fabulous!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 ericasadun
10:04
MikeTRose: 
In installer.app --go to Add Source window, enter http://fring.com/iphone.xml and tap OK.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 MikeTRose
10:04
[Comment From RobbieRobbie: ] 
Is the Wifi lag due to the iPhone or WiFi in general? I don't have any lag with Skype over Wifi on my PC
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 Robbie
10:04
ericasadun: 
I believe it's due to the VoIP provider
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 ericasadun
10:04
[Comment From FrankFrank: ] 
is it similar to Truphone
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 Frank
10:04
[Comment From Francisco RomeroFrancisco Romero: ] 
Skype works nice.... but won't connect o my asterisk... where do you type the server's address? in the user id?
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 Francisco Romero
10:04
[Comment From NeckarosNeckaros: ] 
I tried SIP with the free french provider "free.fr" and it worked very well with little delay. Skype worked great also with buddies (not tried Skype out, too expensive)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 Neckaros
10:04
ericasadun: 
I'm afraid we've over-run our hour
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:04 ericasadun
10:05
ericasadun: 
Thank you everyone (especially you Mike!) for participating in this live blog
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:05 ericasadun
10:05
ericasadun: 
We had a really fun time trying out new software publicly
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:05 ericasadun
10:05
ericasadun: 
for TUAW Labs
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:05 ericasadun
10:05
MikeTRose: 
Beaker & Dr. Bunsen Honeydew signing off.
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:05 MikeTRose
10:06
MikeTRose: 
:-)
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:06 MikeTRose
10:06
ericasadun: 
If you've enjoyed this live blog and want to see more, or if you have other suggestions for this kind of experience, please drop us a line at http://www.tuaw.com/tips
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:06 ericasadun
10:06
ericasadun: 
Also feel free to use our tip line If you're a Mac or iPhone developer and want to tell us about your new products
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:06 ericasadun
10:06
ericasadun: 
Thank you for participating and have a wonderful Muppet-licious day!
Tuesday April 15, 2008 10:06 ericasadun
10:07
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