Keynote - Wisdom of Crowds NECC(06/29/2008) 
7:14
coolcatteacher: 
Who wants to be a millionaire - give them 5 names -- who you will call -- can also poll the audience.   Experts get answer right 2/3 of the time.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:14 coolcatteacher
7:14
coolcatteacher: 
The audience gets the answer correctly 91% of the time.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:14 coolcatteacher
7:16
coolcatteacher: 
Recommending people go to the track.   It is a great example of a prediction machine as you can imagine.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:16 coolcatteacher
7:17
coolcatteacher: 
Crowds predict almost perfectly who is going to win -- if the crowd says a horse wins 33% of the time, it will win 33% of the time.   What hte crowd is doing is predicting an uncertain future.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:17 coolcatteacher
7:18
Julie Lindsay: 
definition of an expert.....not always the best predictors

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:18 Julie Lindsay
7:19
coolcatteacher: 
prediction markets
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:19 coolcatteacher
7:19
coolcatteacher: 
Set up an online market - anyone can go and participate and can bet up to $500
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:19 coolcatteacher
7:19
coolcatteacher: 
Buy and sell "shares" on what % of the vote each candidate is going to get - that market has outperformed gallup polls 3/4 of the time!  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:19 coolcatteacher
7:20
coolcatteacher: 
election eforecast have been off by 1.2% -- Wow!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:20 coolcatteacher
7:20
coolcatteacher: 
Tradesports out of dublin - betters called 50 out of 50 states correctly -- 33 out of 33 right in senate.   in 2006 favorites in those "markets" won every single senate race!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:20 coolcatteacher
7:20
[Comment From mrsdurffmrsdurff: ] 
prediction markets...hmmm
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:20 mrsdurff
7:21
coolcatteacher: 
Google has set up a market w/ in organization predicting 400 separate operations. -- Also - live feed for this on ustream at - http://tinyurl.com/38srmj
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:21 coolcatteacher
7:22
Julie Lindsay: 
embodiment of collective interlligence is the Internet
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:22 Julie Lindsay
7:22
coolcatteacher: 
"Web 2.0" technologies.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:22 coolcatteacher
7:22
Julie Lindsay: 
allow people to work together across distances...revolutionary....transformational
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:22 Julie Lindsay
7:22
coolcatteacher: 
Wikipedia for all its flaws is a remarkable coming together of people to construct an incredibly valuable resource.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:22 coolcatteacher
7:22
coolcatteacher: 
"some students find it too valuable"   ;-)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:22 coolcatteacher
7:23
Have you read, the Wisdom of Crowds?
Yes
 ( 17% )
No, I don't want to.
 ( 17% )
No, but I want to.
 ( 67% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:23 
7:23
coolcatteacher: 
"google is his best friend"
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:23 coolcatteacher
7:24
Julie Lindsay: 
I have read part of the book....
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:24 Julie Lindsay
7:24
coolcatteacher: 
He uses 30 or 40 times a day -- I use it like so much more than that!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:24 coolcatteacher
7:24
coolcatteacher: 
Its search engine was better at finding information that its competitors are.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:24 coolcatteacher
7:24
coolcatteacher: 
It is not the quantity of pages -- it is the quality of hte pages -- the ones at the top have what your'e looking for.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:24 coolcatteacher
7:24
[Comment From CarolynCarolyn: ] 
twitter is my best friend ;)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:24 Carolyn
7:25
coolcatteacher: 
@carolyn and @durff - welcome! You are now able to comment freely.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:25 coolcatteacher
7:25
Julie Lindsay: 
google surveys the INternet as a whole and asks it...essentially like a vote
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:25 Julie Lindsay
7:25
Carolyn: 
Thanks Vicki
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:25 Carolyn
7:25
coolcatteacher: 
You don't have to pass "intelligence tests" to access the internet!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:25 coolcatteacher
7:26
coolcatteacher: 
Under the seeming chaos of the Internet, there is an intelligence -- they tapped the wisdom of crowss.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:26 coolcatteacher
7:27
coolcatteacher: 
Many things that crowds go to the lowest common denominator!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:27 coolcatteacher
7:27
Julie Lindsay: 
fall to the level of the lowest common denominator...not true
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:27 Julie Lindsay
7:27
coolcatteacher: 
@Julie - that model of one person talk at a time is part of it - what if the room had a backchannel.   Backchannels change the dynamics of a room!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:27 coolcatteacher
7:27
Julie Lindsay: 
why do groups become 'dumber'?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:27 Julie Lindsay
7:27
coolcatteacher: 
@nancy - welcome - you are now part of everything!

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:27 coolcatteacher
7:28
[Comment From Nancy PrattNancy Pratt: ] 
Hi Everybody.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:28 Nancy Pratt
7:28
Nancy Pratt: 
I'm in here...making connections in my mind--groups and my context
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:28 Nancy Pratt
7:28
[Comment From Scott McLeodScott McLeod: ] 
Vicki, you letting boys in too? =)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:28 Scott McLeod
7:28
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott- here you go - you're in!   And permanent.

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:28 coolcatteacher
7:29
Julie Lindsay: 
 tool to allow lots of different opinions to become one opinion

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Julie Lindsay
7:29
Nancy Pratt: 
Wisdom of crowds - hmmm the principal key is to get judgements fasst
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Nancy Pratt
7:29
Nancy Pratt: 
fast
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Nancy Pratt
7:29
[Comment From kcaisekcaise: ] 
@scott lol, i see you got the link
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 kcaise
7:29
Carolyn: 
interesting--does speed make better wisdom...I would posit not always
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Carolyn
7:29
Julie Lindsay: 
virtue of technology...allows us to aggregate judgements and to aggregate across a wider range geographically and time
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Julie Lindsay
7:29
Scott McLeod: 
Is it possible to tap 'the wisdom of crowds' for educational solutions? Could we even get anyone to agree to implement them?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 Scott McLeod
7:29
coolcatteacher: 
Aggregaion is the first principle.  

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:29 coolcatteacher
7:30
coolcatteacher: 
He thinks diversity is the fundamental characteristic of intelligent crowds -- I agree.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 coolcatteacher
7:30
Scott McLeod: 
Not a lot of diversity in Rural Iowa (and elsewhere)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 Scott McLeod
7:30
Nancy Pratt: 
I Too--It has to -- or it would be one sided
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 Nancy Pratt
7:30
Carolyn: 
lol Scott
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 Carolyn
7:30
Nancy Pratt: 
cognitively diverse....
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 Nancy Pratt
7:30
coolcatteacher: 
Cognitive diversity.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:30 coolcatteacher
7:31
Scott McLeod: 
Are edubloggers cognitively diverse?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 Scott McLeod
7:31
Julie Lindsay: 
cognitive diversity...thinking about problems and approaching decisions
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 Julie Lindsay
7:31
Carolyn: 
Scott...sometimes?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 Carolyn
7:31
If you don't add any students to your classroom via the Internet, do you consider your classroom cognitively diverse?
Yes
 ( 40% )
No
 ( 60% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 
7:31
[Comment From SteveSteve: ] 
Sounds familiar. Can't remember the book, but said that it's the intersection of cultures where innovation really happens.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 Steve
7:31
[Comment From Bethany SmithBethany Smith: ] 
Interesting to have diversity as well as convergence of a crowd - seems to not be right - but it workd
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:31 Bethany Smith
7:32
Carolyn: 
Scott Page--decision making value--Book the Difference
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:32 Carolyn
7:32
Is your classroom cognitively diverse?
Yes
 ( 60% )
No
 ( 40% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:32 
7:33
Steve: 
That's interesting.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 Steve
7:33
coolcatteacher: 
Different people think about problems in different ways.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 coolcatteacher
7:33
Bethany Smith: 
Gives a whole new viewpoint to groupwork?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 Bethany Smith
7:33
Steve: 
I can buy that. Which is part of the problem at something like EduBloggerCon. Too many like minded people.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 Steve
7:33
Nancy Pratt: 
Scott--Yes--And we as teachers blogging is conducting action research..I'm sitting next to Clare Lane :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 Nancy Pratt
7:33
coolcatteacher: 
@bethany - I don't like the term "group work" -- I like collaborative teams -- and with a wiki -- one can see who contributes or doesn't.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:33 coolcatteacher
7:34
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve -Which is why we stream people in and include others.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 coolcatteacher
7:34
Carolyn: 
Steve--by the nature of it, because few people really blog.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 Carolyn
7:34
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - we should have included more and streamed out in a systemized way and intentionally included the backchannel.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 coolcatteacher
7:34
Carolyn: 
Pew Internet study on avid computer users--like 5-8% of population
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 Carolyn
7:34
Scott McLeod: 
Slow learners make us smarter

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 Scott McLeod
7:34
Steve: 
I think that's why often the most innovative people tend to be people who are brand new to "the network"
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:34 Steve
7:35
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - They don't know what they don't know!  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 coolcatteacher
7:35
Nancy Pratt: 
I believe that--That the cognitive abilit of the group can be effected and improved.....
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Nancy Pratt
7:35
Carolyn: 
I think diversity of discipline important too.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Carolyn
7:35
Bethany Smith: 
@coolcatteacher yes - but even in "collaborative teams" it is interesting to me how we divide our students into groups.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Bethany Smith
7:35
Steve: 
@Carolyn which study is that?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Steve
7:35
Nancy Pratt: 
@bethany Smith - me too....something to think about
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Nancy Pratt
7:35
Bethany Smith: 
in the past so much divisions have been by ability or even grade level - imagine if it was totally random - and can we really do it?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:35 Bethany Smith
7:36
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott @Julie - you are now "producers!"
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 coolcatteacher
7:36
[Comment From JohnJohn: ] 
NECC = a very small % of educators
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 John
7:36
Steve: 
<-- Is in his hotel room listening to a stream. Does he have visuals?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 Steve
7:36
Nancy Pratt: 
Maybe if it is a large enough group
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 Nancy Pratt
7:36
coolcatteacher: 
@John - that is why we need to get out of the room.   I don't see any visuals
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 coolcatteacher
7:36
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - he's talking -- I dn't see a powerpoint or a clicker.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:36 coolcatteacher
7:37
coolcatteacher: 
Most of like to work with people we like and agree with us!   ;-) and similar backgrounds.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 coolcatteacher
7:37
coolcatteacher: 
That is unless we don't fit in.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 coolcatteacher
7:37
kcaise: 
awww very true
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 kcaise
7:37
Steve: 
LOL
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 Steve
7:37
coolcatteacher: 
Perhaps that is why so many "lone wolves" innovate.   I don't fit in in my community or school at all!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 coolcatteacher
7:37
Bethany Smith: 
we are more comfortable with people like ourselves
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 Bethany Smith
7:37
John: 
that's with all things... who likes to work with people who you don't like?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 John
7:37
Carolyn: 
I can relate to that Vicki
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:37 Carolyn
7:38
coolcatteacher: 
@John - We don't like it but we do have to work on it.   I think that we must intentionally seek out views DIFFERNT from our own.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 coolcatteacher
7:38
Bethany Smith: 
i guess it is valuing that someone thinks differently from you
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 Bethany Smith
7:38
Julie Lindsay: 
risk-takers unite...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 Julie Lindsay
7:38
coolcatteacher: 
@John - I always worry about Groupthink -- the worst things that have ever happened were a result of group think environments.   It is ok to teach students to look for different viewpoints!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 coolcatteacher
7:38
John: 
however that is the big challenge...working with people that may not ...how do I say it..??? like to do the same things?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 John
7:38
Steve: 
This is exactly the problem I see at the Bloggers Cafe/EduBloggercon and such.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:38 Steve
7:39
Nancy Pratt: 
I agre about the different Views idea.....he is talking abou tthe devil's advocate---trying to see all points of view...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Nancy Pratt
7:39
Steve: 
Devils Advocate = DJakes
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Steve
7:39
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - well 3 days a year is hardly going to put us into group think.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 coolcatteacher
7:39
Scott McLeod: 
We don't exactly embrace Stager, Downes, etc. - devil's advocates!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Scott McLeod
7:39
Carolyn: 
can't quickly find which study it was, Steve.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Carolyn
7:39
coolcatteacher: 
I mean, most bloggers here I've said, "hi" but have hardly had time to have a mindmeld.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 coolcatteacher
7:39
Carolyn: 
Heard someone at Pew speak at Internet librarian
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Carolyn
7:39
Carolyn: 
and that was in one of their studies this past fall
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Carolyn
7:39
Nancy Pratt: 
One person can make the group smarter, but not the same person
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 Nancy Pratt
7:39
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott - I like to listen to them -- I don't have a problem with that.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:39 coolcatteacher
7:40
coolcatteacher: 
But it is vital that we model effective disagreement.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 coolcatteacher
7:40
Bethany Smith: 
It has been hard to talk to other bloggers - but mostly becuase its hard to figure out where to starts
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 Bethany Smith
7:40
Scott McLeod: 
I should ask 2 students each week in my online school law class to be devil's advocates!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 Scott McLeod
7:40
Steve: 
@coolcatteacher But we talk to each other constantly. Blogs, podcasts, Twitter multiple times throughout each and every day.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 Steve
7:40
John: 
yea... but it's more than 3 days of year... this entire edublogsphere is really quite small in terms of the larger ed environment
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 John
7:40
coolcatteacher: 
Which means if I disagree w/ you Scott, I'm not going to be unkind to you as a person but disagree w/ your concepts and principles.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 coolcatteacher
7:40
Julie Lindsay: 
Is this like De Bono's thinking hats...devil advocate in a black hat??
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 Julie Lindsay
7:40
coolcatteacher: 
@John - it may be, however, the question is are we reading outside the edublogosphere?  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:40 coolcatteacher
7:41
Scott McLeod: 
@coolcatteacher yes, fair enough!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:41 Scott McLeod
7:41
coolcatteacher: 
@John - each person must answer for themselves if they are bringing in outside thoughts.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:41 coolcatteacher
7:41
Scott McLeod: 
Politeness is helpful!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:41 Scott McLeod
7:41
John: 
true CCT :-)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:41 John
7:41
coolcatteacher: 
I think that we must value diversity and the wisdom of the crowd but also encouraging individuality.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:41 coolcatteacher
7:42
Bethany Smith: 
the power of peer pressure - is everywhere - even here...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:42 Bethany Smith
7:42
Carolyn: 
ok, my crowd decision here is that its time for dinner. ciao everyone!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:42 Carolyn
7:42
Nancy Pratt: 
hmmmm Think about little ones...they would change their minds and ideas pretty easily
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:42 Nancy Pratt
7:42
Scott McLeod: 
People should change their mind to whatever I think. =)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:42 Scott McLeod
7:42
Carolyn: 
I'm in Austin tonite.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:42 Carolyn
7:43
coolcatteacher: 
@Bethany - peer pressure is everywhere -- however, although I'm not immune to it or anyone else-- being able to stand AGAINST peer pressure is an important skill for leaders.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 coolcatteacher
7:43
Steve: 
*agrees with Scott*
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 Steve
7:43
Scott McLeod: 
CCT - harder for leaders to stand up to community pressure
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 Scott McLeod
7:43
Bethany Smith: 
@scott - well your blog readers should - or at least your students :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 Bethany Smith
7:43
coolcatteacher: 
Those of us who have been bullied (like me) either submit or come out of it very individualistic and not caring about what others think very much.   However, I also value the importance of kindness and NOT allowing bullying behavior.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 coolcatteacher
7:43
Julie Lindsay: 
@scott ..or beaurocrtatic pressure
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 Julie Lindsay
7:43
coolcatteacher: 
Don't like to see group intimidation or bullying.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:43 coolcatteacher
7:44
Scott McLeod: 
Well said, Julie
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:44 Scott McLeod
7:44
Bethany Smith: 
@coolcatteacher yes - the ability to stand up for what you believe in when everyone is against it I think is why so many of us "fight" for edtech
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:44 Bethany Smith
7:44
coolcatteacher: 
Treating others with respect who disagree with you is soooo important, because when it is one group against a person -- then it becomes bullying.   And that is what often happens in any blogosphere group of people and we must teach to help that not happen.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:44 coolcatteacher
7:45
John: 
@bethany...careful...it's not fight for edtech it's fight for ed.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:45 John
7:45
Julie Lindsay: 
Just tell me what to agree to....
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:45 Julie Lindsay
7:45
coolcatteacher: 
We want people to "bring something to the table" other than what everyone else brings about -- some people are just regurgiation specialists - who specialize in regurgitating what they've heard someone else say.   Speak out your own opinion.   But this is the power of the backchannel.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:45 coolcatteacher
7:46
Bethany Smith: 
@john true - but when you are in education you have a tendancy to "fight" for what edtech can do for ed
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 Bethany Smith
7:46
coolcatteacher: 
The backchannel is giving us the ability to add our thoughts to this keynote.   We have a crowd gathering here -- the question is "is it diverse" -- the answer   No, probably not -- although we do have diverse locations.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 coolcatteacher
7:46
Scott McLeod: 
Surowiecki is a good speaker. He's got no notes! Teleprompter or memorization?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 Scott McLeod
7:46
Do you think we encourage students to "think for themselves" in schools?
Yes
 ( 43% )
No
 ( 57% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 
7:46
John: 
@CCT sounds like some classrooms of students I've heard of ...regurgitation specialists LOL
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 John
7:46
Julie Lindsay: 
imitation is a form of flattery
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:46 Julie Lindsay
7:47
Steve: 
@Scott I'm guessing this isn't the first time he's done this presentation :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:47 Steve
7:47
Bethany Smith: 
@coolcatteacher sounds like people emboding rss feeds - regurgitating info?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:47 Bethany Smith
7:47
coolcatteacher: 
@John - I often state something I disagree w/ and stating something that is wrong, just to see if they will agree w/ me.   If they do, then I always talk about how they have the rights to disagree and I expect them to disagree -- I do this on the first day of class. I've had students say, "I didn't know I could disagree w/ a teacher!"
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:47 coolcatteacher
7:48
coolcatteacher: 
As long as people are imitating, you're not getting at collective intelligence of the group.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:48 coolcatteacher
7:48
coolcatteacher: 
Many of us want to "fit in."
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:48 coolcatteacher
7:48
John: 
@CCT students need to feel safe to make that leap. That has to happen early.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:48 John
7:48
coolcatteacher: 
If you're wrong in the short run, people wonder if you know what you're talking about.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:48 coolcatteacher
7:49
coolcatteacher: 
I call this the "first penguin in the water" syndrome.   No one wants to be the first penguin in the water and take the risk -- however, the first penguin in the water also gets the first fish!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 coolcatteacher
7:49
Julie Lindsay: 
In the short term early adopters look like they are 'wrong'
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 Julie Lindsay
7:49
coolcatteacher: 
INcreased risk but increased benefit.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 coolcatteacher
7:49
coolcatteacher: 
@Julie -- YEs!   We often make others nervous.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 coolcatteacher
7:49
Steve: 
@vicki neat analogy.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 Steve
7:49
coolcatteacher: 
Join us on this!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:49 coolcatteacher
7:50
John: 
Sir Ken Robinson talks about how we remove this capability from our students, to questions, to fear being wrong.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:50 John
7:50
coolcatteacher: 
Go to the http://coolcatteacher.blogspot.com and join our group coverit live post.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:50 coolcatteacher
7:50
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - First penguin off the rock came to some of us as we were looking at the penguins in Monterey this week -- on Thursday.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:50 coolcatteacher
7:50
coolcatteacher: 
We all felt like the first penguin off the rock!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:50 coolcatteacher
7:51
Steve: 
lol
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 Steve
7:51
Jon Becker: 
Love that line about conflict. Best group decisions arise not out of consensus, but out of conflict....problem is, that's already been said. John Kenneth Galbraith, I think
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 Jon Becker
7:51
Do you feel like the first penguin off the rock?
Yes
 ( 69% )
No
 ( 31% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 
7:51
Scott McLeod: 
Just put Vicki's CoverItLive feed on the big screen in the Blogger's Cafe

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 Scott McLeod
7:51
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott -- You are making me very nervous!  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 coolcatteacher
7:51
Steve: 
Hello people in Blogger's Cafe *waves*
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 Steve
7:51
Bethany Smith: 
i like that he emphasizes trust - important in a group
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:51 Bethany Smith
7:52
Steve: 
*cleans up his language*
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:52 Steve
7:52
coolcatteacher: 
Groups are smartes when people are acting as much like individuals as possible!   Amen to that one!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:52 coolcatteacher
7:52
Julie Lindsay: 
encourage opinions...shows you are thinking for yourself...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:52 Julie Lindsay
7:52
coolcatteacher: 
If you're watching on the board -- join in - http://coolcatteacher.blogspot.com
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:52 coolcatteacher
7:52
coolcatteacher: 
Get people to speak in reverse order of seniority! WOW!!!!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:52 coolcatteacher
7:53
coolcatteacher: 
People who feel like they are "top of the heap" will often dictate opinion!   Yes! Yes! Yes!   Reverse the order!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 coolcatteacher
7:53
Jon Becker: 
getting very loud around the bloggers cafe...hard to hear the keynote
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 Jon Becker
7:53
coolcatteacher: 
Again, this is the power of the backchannel in the pclassroom!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 coolcatteacher
7:53
[Comment From OCtechguyOCtechguy: ] 
I've been swimming a long time. Now many or starting to follow. It's more in to have tech at your school than when I started.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 OCtechguy
7:53
Scott McLeod: 
Wish the crowd passing by wasn't so loud...

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 Scott McLeod
7:53
coolcatteacher: 
@John - there must be food.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 coolcatteacher
7:53
Julie Lindsay: 
@scott..yes, but are they a wise crowd??
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 Julie Lindsay
7:53
coolcatteacher: 
Do we really want to hear what other people think.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 coolcatteacher
7:53
Steve: 
Bring the crowd in, will increase your diversity ;)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:53 Steve
7:54
Jon Becker: 
This is testing my multitasking abilities
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 Jon Becker
7:54
coolcatteacher: 
Talkative people have way too much influence -- this is WHY we need backchannels!     OK, guys, this guy is REALLY confirming the backchannel.!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 coolcatteacher
7:54
coolcatteacher: 
OK, loud people in the back, we're going to start throwing things at you!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 coolcatteacher
7:54
Bethany Smith: 
the people that just walked by have rifles :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 Bethany Smith
7:54
coolcatteacher: 
No correlation between talkative people and intelligence!  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 coolcatteacher
7:54
Bethany Smith: 
be carefule what they fire back :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 Bethany Smith
7:54
Jon Becker: 
Question...is there a size at which a crowd becomes too big to get at collective intelligence?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 Jon Becker
7:54
Scott McLeod: 
You can be too talkative in the backchannel too...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:54 Scott McLeod
7:55
coolcatteacher: 
We need some cowboys!   Yahoo partner.   I know Scott - but I type 125 words a minute.

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 coolcatteacher
7:55
coolcatteacher: 
I'll take the hint!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 coolcatteacher
7:55
Steve: 
Ok, but the backchannel is only occupied by A) People that carry a laptop with WiFi around with them B) Are multitaskers C) Comfortable jumping into a new tool like this on the fly and so on....
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 Steve
7:55
Bethany Smith: 
what happens when you pay more attention to the backchannel than the main event?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 Bethany Smith
7:55
Steve: 
Right now at least.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 Steve
7:55
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - yes, we're not too heterogeneous!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 coolcatteacher
7:55
Bethany Smith: 
good or bad?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 Bethany Smith
7:55
John: 
again a very small number of people... but it's still fun!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:55 John
7:56
coolcatteacher: 
However, I love the backchannel in the classroom.   Then it is everyone!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 coolcatteacher
7:56
Scott McLeod: 
But in class every kid could be part of the backchannel...
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 Scott McLeod
7:56
Steve: 
So what can we do to encourage more participation, besides just modeling it?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 Steve
7:56
coolcatteacher: 
Yes -- that is true, Scott - I've seen it transform students!   Transform the quiet into the confident!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 coolcatteacher
7:56
Scott McLeod: 
I've seen that too, CCT, in just a simple online threaded discussion area. Good stuff!

Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 Scott McLeod
7:56
coolcatteacher: 
Backchannels are wonderful and the people active in conversation are NOT the same as are active n the backchannel - however, peeople who are active in backchannel MOVE into the conversation.  
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:56 coolcatteacher
7:57
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
@bethany neutral.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 Guest
7:57
[Comment From srenateesrenatee: ] 
I am in KY...unable to join u @NECC this year. sigh. but trying to find live sessions. Help?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 srenatee
7:57
Scott McLeod: 
Oh, and those are grad students!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 Scott McLeod
7:57
John: 
that's where opensource tools come in Moodle, elg, etc. can be pretty secure even for learners just learning the concepts
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 John
7:57
coolcatteacher: 
Live feed for this - http://tinyurl.com/38srmj but almost done.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 coolcatteacher
7:57
[Comment From vvrotnyvvrotny: ] 
finally, conversation about education. But this is old ndw
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 vvrotny
7:57
[Comment From KristinKristin: ] 
Have used cover it live with kids in the classroom and it does empower those kids who ordinarily wouldn't participate
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:57 Kristin
7:58
[Comment From tmcgrathtmcgrath: ] 
Thank you to Vicki and all the other NECC participants for contributing to this blog. I'm sitting at home in NJ but glad to have the opportunity to participate virtually!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:58 tmcgrath
7:58
Steve: 
Gotta run. Thanks for being a hub, Vicki.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:58 Steve
7:58
coolcatteacher: 
Story about the USS Scorpion.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:58 coolcatteacher
7:58
coolcatteacher: 
@Steve - which steve is this?   THE STEVE!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:58 coolcatteacher
7:58
John: 
@tmcgrath...me too... I'm in sunny SoCal, about to go for a swim!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:58 John
7:59
coolcatteacher: 
This is a great tool for live blogging b/c I have the right to approve comments.   This is what I will be using this year!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 coolcatteacher
7:59
[Comment From mark ahlnessmark ahlness: ] 
just catching the end thanks
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 mark ahlness
7:59
Steve: 
Depends on which Steve is THE Steve. :) This is Teach42-Steve
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 Steve
7:59
coolcatteacher: 
@Mark - HI!   Thank you all for coming!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 coolcatteacher
7:59
Jon Becker: 
I thought it was Steve Jobs...guess not.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 Jon Becker
7:59
Scott McLeod: 
But CoverItLive is not searchable from outside - thus is less findable...   =(   That's good for some things but not for others.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 Scott McLeod
7:59
coolcatteacher: 
We have TWO THE steves here - under THE Steve Jobs.
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 coolcatteacher
7:59
John: 
Thank You CCT...we'll be checking in to see what's new!
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 John
7:59
Bethany Smith: 
We would have felt the Apple awesomeness if it was steve jobs :)
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 Bethany Smith
7:59
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott - I don't know can you convert to text?
Sunday June 29, 2008 7:59 coolcatteacher
8:00
coolcatteacher: 
@John - cool.
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 coolcatteacher
8:00
Julie Lindsay: 
Civas Regal....not a good idea in Qatar
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 Julie Lindsay
8:00
Scott McLeod: 
Steve Jobs is a big fan of Vicki's!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 Scott McLeod
8:00
coolcatteacher: 
Scott - LOL - yeah right!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 coolcatteacher
8:00
coolcatteacher: 
@Scott - I need a new laptop!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 coolcatteacher
8:00
Do you feel this was a helpful keynote for NECC?
Yes
 ( 40% )
Sort of
 ( 40% )
No
 ( 13% )
Not Sure
 ( 7% )

Sunday June 29, 2008 8:00 
8:01
[Comment From KristinKristin: ] 
@tmcgrath @john do you feel like you are part of the collective intelligence even though you are not present at the conference?
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Kristin
8:01
[Comment From cchausiscchausis: ] 
Tay Steve
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 cchausis
8:01
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Thanks for setting this up. I am sitting here in PA and fee a part of the converations
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Guest
8:01
[Comment From KristinKristin: ] 
@scott the other thing is you cant copy from it to paste as text
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Kristin
8:01
[Comment From cchausiscchausis: ] 
Yay Steve
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 cchausis
8:01
Scott McLeod: 
Good observation, Kristin.

Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Scott McLeod
8:01
Julie Lindsay: 
NECC needs a non-US keynote
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Julie Lindsay
8:01
Bethany Smith: 
wow already over
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Bethany Smith
8:01
[Comment From vvrotnyvvrotny: ] 
Keynote is fine, but for those who have read the book, it is not new
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 vvrotny
8:01
Scott McLeod: 
You or Ewan, Julie!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Scott McLeod
8:01
Jon Becker: 
He's got his own exit music...cool!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:01 Jon Becker
8:02
Julie Lindsay: 
someone with more wisdom Scott....;-)
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:02 Julie Lindsay
8:02
Scott McLeod: 
I need exit music for my department meetings!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:02 Scott McLeod
8:03
coolcatteacher: 
OK, everyone.   We're done with this.   Applause for Scott McLeod for putting this on the board.   Kinda scary!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 coolcatteacher
8:03
coolcatteacher: 
Goodbye, we'll see you soon.
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 coolcatteacher
8:03
Scott McLeod: 
Kudos again to Konrad Glogowski for getting the sound working for the keynote!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 Scott McLeod
8:03
coolcatteacher: 
More live blogs l8r!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 coolcatteacher
8:03
[Comment From srenateesrenatee: ] 
yeah!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 srenatee
8:03
coolcatteacher: 
Konrad is the man of the evening!
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 coolcatteacher
8:03
OCtechguy: 
Thanks all. hard to multitask between this and Twitter but great fun.
Sunday June 29, 2008 8:03 OCtechguy
8:03



 
 
 
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