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Shirky discussion

(06/28/2008)

10:56

Darren Draper is talking about p. 73--there's never a moment in society we're going to ask "do we want this flow of information'? Shirky--it's already happened and can't be undone.

Saturday June 28, 2008 10:56

10:57

So how do we deal with that?

Saturday June 28, 2008 10:57

10:59

hoffman quote--when things are technologically boring, the conversation becomes really interesting?

Saturday June 28, 2008 10:59

11:02

Scott Mcleod--has progressive ed ever gotten a foothold?
In past, we thought of students as being dependent on us.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:02

11:04

How do we shift? Is the change close?

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:04

11:04

What will turn the tables?

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:04

11:04

@SNBeach it's not about the "pencil and paper" -- she thinks marginalized population will push the change.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:04

11:05

Sheryl thinks "teachers have been left behind"

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:05

11:07

@shareski maybe we should focus on smaller changes--like businesses focus just on themselves, we should focus on our own schools

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:07

11:07

Darren draper--we should embrace tools like cell phones students are using

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:07

11:08

Chris Lehmann -- we should acknowledge the tools they are using.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:08

11:08

Comment--kids don't think of them as "tools"

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:08

11:11

Will and Jakes are discussing how well students know tools, really, beyond their own. And should we teach them to learn them better?

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:11

11:12

Scott Mcleod--most teachers probably don't want students to ha ve a backchannel

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:12

11:13

JoyceValenza--felt like this was the year that it clicked for her students. Students had been using Ning for study guides for a year or two, but this year they started really using it, like to raise money for Darfur.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:13

11:13

so taught pencil strategies; how did she learn? by playing.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:13

11:13

Chris Lehmann--we have to be okay with the idea that we're the "eat the vegetables" people.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:13

11:14

We don't want them to have fun, we want it to be meaningful. Learn sacrifice, learn to enjoy a hard process.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:14

11:14

Sylvia Martinez--questioning "school" ability not to institutionalize something--like "now we will study the "NING" for four years...lol

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:14

11:18

Claudia commented--when assigning something, just post a list of tools, let kids sort them out, they'll ask teacher if they need help. empower them.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:18

11:18

comment--make sure you have a choose your own option too.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:18

11:20

Scott Mcleod--Shirky talks about it being like the industrial revolution. Will schools just crack open and change or how do we bring the change into the schools we have?

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:20

11:22

Ewan--cost of traditional schools are expensive. Schools have a social purpose. WE spend money on things not needed, and not on what is needed.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:22

11:23

DerrallG parents don't always trust tools; we spend a tremendous amount on textbooks as well.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:23

11:24

Scott Mcleod--the organization is trying to protect itself, all the energy directed at that. Jakes--Shirky says two functions of business--making a profit, be a business. Jakes is applying it to schools. About educating kids, and being a school.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:24

11:24

MCleod, second purpose gets in way of first one

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:24

11:25

Snbeach--quoting WillRich as saying schools are just one node on the network of learning

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:25

11:31

I was making the point about student as pail versus the conversational nature of learning.

Saturday June 28, 2008 11:31

11:31

and that even if school is virtual if it is just about content, it's missing the the point.