Beaverton schools live chat with education reporter Wendy Owen
12:49
The Oregonian: 
Welcome to our live chat on teacher transfers in the Beaverton School District. Education reporter Wendy Owen will join us at 1 p.m. Until then, please feel free to submit your questions and comments. Expect a short delay between the time you submit and the time you see your entries in the chat.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 12:49 The Oregonian
12:59
Wendy Owen: 
Hi everybody. I'm ready for your questions and comments about Beaverton School District and teacher transfers.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 12:59 Wendy Owen
12:59
[Comment From NinaNina: ] 
I was wondering what the expected budget shortfall is for next year.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 12:59 Nina
1:00
Wendy Owen: 
Thanks for the question, Nina. The district has a general idea but no actual numbers yet pending state funding. What they do know is PERS will increase by $12 million
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:00 Wendy Owen
1:01
Wendy Owen: 
in 2013 and state school funds are not expected to offset that increase.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:01 Wendy Owen
1:01
[Comment From Victor WynnVictor Wynn: ] 
Why are you doing this Wendy? What is the goal of this exercise? Are you trying to stir up the hornet's nest for readership?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:01 Victor Wynn
1:01
Wendy Owen: 
Hi Victor. The Oregonian asks reporters to engage with readers on a regular basis and this is just one way to do so.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:01 Wendy Owen
1:01
The Oregonian: 
Our goal at The Oregonian is to host a live chat every weekday. Our reporters and editors chat about news, sports, business, features, entertainment. You can see some of our previous chats here: http://topics.oregonlive.com/tag/livechat/index.html
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:01 The Oregonian
1:02
The Oregonian: 
If you have topics you'd be interested in chatting about, please let us know. Send an email kgabrielson@oregonian.com
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:02 The Oregonian
1:02
[Comment From JSJS: ] 
How did transferring teachers to the same jobs (for example, first grade to another first grade) help save jobs?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:02 JS
1:03
Wendy Owen: 
That's a good question, JS. My understanding is the "bumping" of teachers during the layoff process resulted in this type of situation
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:03 Wendy Owen
1:04
Wendy Owen: 
Bumping means a teacher with more seniority is moved to save that person's job, but they may bump another teacher with less seniority elsewhere.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:04 Wendy Owen
1:05
The Oregonian: 
Can you explain why "seniority" was the deciding factor?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:05 The Oregonian
1:05
Wendy Owen: 
Districts are required to consider a teacher's seniority during layoffs. It's in the union contract as well as state law
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:05 Wendy Owen
1:06
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
There are suggestions that administrators used computers to place teachers and that overriding them with human intervention was not allowed. True? And is it true that the teachers who are taking the year off, knowing they would have been grossly misplaced, have to wait out a year as things unravel or stagnate further?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:06 Kris Alman
1:07
Wendy Owen: 
Hi Kris. My understanding is the district had to consider the placement of 2,300 teachers in terms of seniority and credentialing.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:07 Wendy Owen
1:07
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Who is making these 'suggestions' Kris?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:07 Guest
1:08
Wendy Owen: 
They pared that down to 204 layoffs and 360 transfers in late July. It was done via spreadsheet, yes.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:08 Wendy Owen
1:09
Wendy Owen: 
They were not able to consider the human element. Whether they were "allowed" to or not, I don't know. But it would have been difficult given the massive numbers.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:09 Wendy Owen
1:09
[Comment From DRDR: ] 
Why is it the Beaverton School District can afford new laptops, the continuation of TOSA's, a new failing grading system in Synergy and continue to push proficiency through the use of TOSA's and trainings, yet can't afford to keep good teachers in their proper teaching positions? Seems like mismanagement and misguided principles to me.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:09 DR
1:10
[Comment From JSJS: ] 
I would think considering the human element is important when dealing with children and their communities!
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:10 JS
1:11
Wendy Owen: 
Hi DR. It's a complicated budget. I'll let the district defend it's decisions.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:11 Wendy Owen
1:11
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
"Guest", I have heard this from teachers. I am just trying to verify if any human logic is being used!
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:11 Kris Alman
1:11
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
This summer, teachers were worried that their extra credentials would misplace them and looked to the BEA for advice whether to dump them. The BEA reassured them that those extra credentials wouldn't negatively impact them. What is the BEA telling teachers now?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:11 Kris Alman
1:12
[Comment From GuestGuest: ] 
Are you a teacher DR? You seem to know an awful lot about what is happening in the district.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:12 Guest
1:12
Wendy Owen: 
I talked to Karen Hoffman, the BEA president, about that very thing. The union was in a difficult position. If they recommended teachers dump their credentials, it could have meant they landed on the layoff list. Not sure what they're telling them now.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:12 Wendy Owen
1:13
[Comment From JSJS: ] 
Why is it that voluntary transfers were not allowed? (For example, 2 teachers both transferred to not ideal teaching situations wanting to exchange transfer orders)?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:13 JS
1:13
Wendy Owen: 
JS. My understanding is the rules behind layoffs -- seniority and credentially -- made it difficult to allow folks to volunteer for positions.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:13 Wendy Owen
1:14
[Comment From NinaNina: ] 
Any news on when there might be another item placed on the ballot for more funding for our schools? I know it didn't pass last time, but it was very close.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:14 Nina
1:15
Wendy Owen: 
It's still on the front burner for the district. My sense is they may be looking at May for a local option levy.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:15 Wendy Owen
1:15
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
To what degree do the extra credentials (like ELL endorsement) add to the wages of teachers?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:15 Kris Alman
1:15
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
And how do extra endorsements increase pay? If an endorsement is dropped, does the salary go down?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:15 Kris Alman
1:16
Wendy Owen: 
Kris, I don't know for sure, but I believe teachers are paid by educational attainment and senrority
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:16 Wendy Owen
1:16
[Comment From NHNH: ] 
Pay is not based on endorsement -- it's simply years of experience.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:16 NH
1:16
Wendy Owen: 
I don't believe they lose pay if they lose credentials. Credentials simply make them more hireable when they're new to the profession.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:16 Wendy Owen
1:16
[Comment From JSJS: ] 
As far as considering credentialing, why were principals not involved? Our school lost important credentials due to this process.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:16 JS
1:17
[Comment From NHNH: ] 
Also, the question regarding laptops and things schools can afford. Grants are provided regularly and teachers and teams always write grants to get more money for different initiatives. These are the funds that allow for new technology ie: laptops. Grant money cannot be given to other things -- grants are applied for for specific purposes and must be used as such.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:17 NH
1:17
[Comment From CDCD: ] 
Why would the BSD not follow the lead of PPS and ask for a levy or bond in a presidential election year in which voter turnout passed 80% and easily passed multiple tax raises in Portland that had been previously shot down? Missed a huge opportunity it seems. The nation obviously demonstrated they were in the mood for new taxes
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:17 CD
1:18
Wendy Owen: 
That's a loaded question, JS. The district says there wasn't time for their input and the rules of layoffs wouldn't have allowed for changes if a principal wanted someone different.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:18 Wendy Owen
1:18
The Oregonian: 
More about the levy:
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:18 The Oregonian
1:18
[Comment From NinaNina: ] 
If it passed, when would the money then be available?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:18 Nina
1:18
Wendy Owen: 
Nina, if it passed in May, it would be available for the following school year.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:18 Wendy Owen
1:18
[Comment From NHNH: ] 
There was something on the ballot last year to give BSD more $$ and it failed.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:18 NH
1:19
[Comment From NinaNina: ] 
CD-I asked the same thing and was told they didn't want the levy to get "buried" since there were so many other things on the ballot.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:19 Nina
1:19
[Comment From NinaNina: ] 
I was wondering, from a report's point of view since you see the bigger picture and I only see what is going on at my own children's schools, who has suffered more through this? The high schools? Middle? Elementary? The smaller schools? Bigger schools? Who is feeling it the worst and what are they doing to cope/make up for the shortfalls?
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:19 Nina
1:20
[Comment From CDCD: ] 
Lightest ballot in years, what are they talking about? PPS had a bond and an arts measure both tax based and easily passed. Yes NH, it didn't pass last year just like PPS, but why give up? PPS didn't and look what they won last week.
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:20 CD
1:20
Wendy Owen: 
Nina. It seems to be the schools that had the most young teachers. They lost the most to layoff and tended to have the most transfers. Cedar Park Middle School had at least 17 teachers transfer
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:20 Wendy Owen
1:20
[Comment From LuisLuis: ] 
Nina,I personally got a little more involved helping with my middle and elementary schools
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:20 Luis
1:21
[Comment From Kris AlmanKris Alman: ] 
Is the district making any attempt to gauge how well kids are doing wis severely mismatched teachers? After all, the real losers are the kids! And if they don't get on top of this quickly, the kids will be hurt academically--never mind the achievement compacts!!!
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:21 Kris Alman
1:21
Wendy Owen: 
Kris. I haven't heard anything from the district or school board stated publicly
Tuesday November 13, 2012 1:21 Wendy Owen
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