Trade Deadline Live Blog

(07/31/2008)

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Welcome to the Scout.com Trade deadline blog.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:15

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I will be providing updates on all of the deals and rumors that surface this afternoon. If you have a comment or question, feel free to ask away.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:16

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According to Ken Rosenthal, Ken Griffey Jr. has agreed to be traded to the Chicago White Sox. This move will give him the chance to compete for a ring, but is also good on the Reds' side. Moving his contract off the books is a great thing for the franchise. Is Adam Dunn next? We will find out in the next few hours.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:20

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[Comment From SpencerSpencer: ]

Will Manny get shipped?

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:23 Spencer

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According to the Boston Globe and several other sources, the deal is being held up on the Pirates' end. They are hung up on prospects. Pittsburgh, who would be sending Jason Bay and John Grabow to Boston, will receive Jeremy Hermida and prospects, though the Marlins are not willing to give up Ryan Tucker.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:37

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Manny has officially agreed to be traded, though. His options for 2009 and 2010 will be dropped. Still, the Pirates, who have also been chatting with the Tampa Bay Rays about Bay, could drop out if they do not receive an appealing enough package.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:42

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The Rays' plan B is reportedly Adam Dunn, who is leading the majors with 32 home runs. He is a polarizing player, and gets a bad rap for his high strikeout totals and low batting average. But he can mash and has excellent on-base skills. It was surprising that Griffey was the first Red to go, considering the scant interest for the Future Hall of Famer up until today. The Reds, according to Jon Heyman, are seeking Jeremy Hellickson and Jeff Niemann. Hellickson, who pitched well the other night for Double-A Montgomery, is off limits. He tore up the Florida State League earlier this spring, and has excellent command. Do not expect him to get shipped, though Niemann is a different story. The former Rice All-American has seen his star dimmed because of all the injuries.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:47

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

ESPN is reporting via Jason Stark that the Rays are now unlikely to make ANY deals. WTF? http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mlb_trade_deadline

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:48 matdog420

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Well, the Reds' asking price seems a bit high if they want Hellickson. As Stark says, Dunn would add another left-handed bat to a lineup stacked with lefties--Pena, Crawford, Iwamura, ect... Still, Dunn would certainly provide an upgrade. Andrew Friedman seems content to stand pat, possibly moving up minor league outfielder Justin Ruggiano.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:50

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[Comment From AbbadabbaAbbadabba: ]

Rays can't sit still now...they actually have a shot at something...why are they not making a move...

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:50 Abbadabba

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They do need a bat, but they are not willing to part ways with any elite prospects.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:51

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The Bay talks could start up again, though, because Stark also has a source who says the Manny deal is as good as dead.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:51

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Counting on Rocco is a mistake. Maybe he does play well enough but to "bank" on it is a joke.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:51 matdog420

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Agreed. Anything they get from him is a bonus. Ruggiano is better bet to make an impact, but he has yet to get a true shot.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:52

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

that's a shame for Rays fans who haven't had much to cheer for...

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:52 Guest

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Rays fans will have a lot to cheer about in the future, though. Think about this 2010 rotation, assuming that they are not traded or injured. Scott Kazmir, David Price, James Shields, Matt Garza and Wade Davis

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:53

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Baldelli could be up soon, by the way.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:55

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

I agree, but how many times have Ray fans heard that....

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:55 matdog420

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True. But, unlike in year's past, the Rays' management group gets it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:55

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And they still have a legitimate chance to win this year, regardless. Their pitching and defense are excellent, and their biggest upgrades may be by default. Pena, Crawford, Bartlett and Upton can all pick it up.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:56

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

It seems the Rays are always looking towards the future, which is a great thing. But this situation has never presented itself and shouldn't be thought of in the same light.. They have a chance to win now. You can't count on them being in this situation next year. Anything can happen from now until then. Now should be the time.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:56 matdog420

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Sad day for Red Sox Fans!!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:57 Guest

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That is true. They have a great chance to win now, and to sustain it for years. Who do you think they should get that would make such a huge difference? The market is not exactly great, outside of the Bay situation.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:57

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Im not saying trade the farm, but a prospect or two wouldn't kill the future of this team

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:57 matdog420

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That is true.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:58

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I think we pretty much agree on this issue, but it depends on the prospect.
Someone along the lines of Niemann would be a prospect to go.

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:59

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Will the Manny deal happen?
Yes

( 39% )

( 61% )

Thursday July 31, 2008 12:59

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Rosenthal is now saying that the Manny deal is not dead yet. The holdup is centering around the Pirates' return on Bay.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:00

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

is dunn good as gone?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:00 Guest

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[Comment From JoeyJoey: ]

what r the odds of dunn being traded?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:00 Joey

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Dunn is not likely to get shipped to Tampa Bay if the Reds' asking price remains Jeremy Hellickson or someone along those lines. Still, anything can happen. He will certainly help out a contending team.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:02

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[Comment From JoeyJoey: ]

are the reds looking to trade anyone else besides dunn like weathers?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:03 Joey

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[Comment From RedSoxFanRedSoxFan: ]

Without Manny to finish out the year in Boston they are done. No relievers, no fielding and no hitting but management gave the manager an extension with $$$$

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:04 RedSoxFan

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According to Stark, the Blue Jays have entered the Bay discussions. The question is why? They are 6.5 games back in the Wild Card, and have a terrible offense. They are not contenders, and the Pirates are asking for a lot.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:05

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RedSox fan, I think that Boston will take a hit in their offense. But Bay actually has a higher OPS than Manny, and Grabow, if they get him, is a solid left-handed reliever.
Do not lose hope.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:06

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

They do have a bad offense, but with Wells due back soon an up-grade like Bay would be huge for them

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:06 matdog420

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It definitely would, because their pitching is awesome. But one player is not going to make that much of a difference when Matt Stairs is your team leader with 11 home runs.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:07

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The East is too tough, they are out of it, in my opinion. The Pirates' asking price will be too high for JP Ricciardi, regardless.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:07

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

If the Rays could get Grabow and Bay would you think of dealing Hellickson?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:08 matdog420

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They would have to be open to it. I know that he is "off-limits," but Grabow will be a huge addition to the bullpen, an upgrade over Trever Miller, and Bay would fill the need for a RH bat. But they are really high on him.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:09

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[Comment From MLB fanMLB fan: ]

i got faith in the red sox they also have my friend justin masterson who i use to play ball with in the minors they can always bring up, their pitching is sick and will always keep them in contention

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:09 MLB fan

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Masterson is going to be an excellent pitcher. He is a great kid, too. He will be a great reliever for them down the stretch now, and then could become a starter again in the future.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:10

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Anyone else watching the ESPN coverage of deadline day? Its not bad, they have 4 guys all reporting as stuff comes in

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:10 matdog420

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Are the giants going to make any deals before the deadline ?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:10 CoachBrian

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CoachBrian, you are not Brian Sabean, are you? I hope not. The Giants do not have any real trading chips. They locked up Rowand to such an expensive deal. Tyler Walker has surfaced in some rumors, but they are not going to part with their one valuable asset, young starting pitching depth. They have a strong core with Tim Lincecum, who is nasty, and Matt Cain.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:12

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Speaking of the Giants any way the Rays could pry Winn away from them? Would that even interest the Rays?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:12 matdog420

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No, he would be of no interest. He is making around $9 million and has a .730 OPS. Thanks, but, no thanks.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:13

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Molina to marlins? Aurilia to twins ? Winn to mets? Walker to rays? Taschner anywhere ?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:13 CoachBrian

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Good call, actually.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:13

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I actually just saw a link about Molina, will post it shortly.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:14

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He has been linked to Florida, which tried to get Pudge before the Yankees, and are also pursuing several other veteran catchers, including Greg Zaun, Ramon Hernandez and Gerald Laird. So, it is unlikely that he will get shipped. The favorite appears to be Laird, though. Aurilia has been linked to the Twins, who are dangling Boof Bonser.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:17

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Molina for Jacobs would be great !

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:18 CoachBrian

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He was pulled from the lineup last night, causing many people to think that he was out the door. We will see what happens.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:18

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

manny just approved trade

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:21 CoachBrian

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That is one obstacle to get by.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:21

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Rosenthal says that the Yankees are making a run at Paul Byrd.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:22

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

lincecum, cain, sanchez, bonser. put corriea back in the 7th and 8th innings trade Walker !

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:22 CoachBrian

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

What are the Rays offering for Bay? Anybody know?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:23 Guest

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They have offered Jeff Niemann, a former first-round pick out of Rice University, according to sources. Names like Reid Brignac and Jeremy Hellickson have surfaced as well, but the Rays are not likely to part with the pair.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:24

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

good, Byrd isn't all that. If they have to depend on him down the stretch it could benefit the Rays

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:25 matdog420

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Agreed. Ditto for Jarrod Washburn. Why aren't the M's letting the Yankes take his contract off the books? What are they thinking? He is just not that good.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:25

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Brignac and Neimann I can see but not Hellickson. Rays just drafted their shortstop of the future anyway. Good deal for both clubs.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:27 Guest

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Yeah, but Beckham is still at least five years away and has left a lot to be desired with his performance at Princeton to this point. Brignac is a great defensive shortstop, but his on-base skills are not exactly stellar, either. The Rays are high on him, though Bartlett is an excellent defender and will man the position for the time being. The Rays will have to part with either him or Hellickson, though, if they want Bay.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:29

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[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

how are the astros not trying to trade anyone who has a pulse? they could dump tejadia easy. please tell me they are not delusional enough to think they are still in it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:30 nadir

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Agreed. The Astros, who should not have dealt for Randy Wolf, are delusional. They think they are contenders. They are not, playing in the best division in the NL with three legitimate contenders. Shawn Chacon's chokehold on GM has messed with his brain. They stripped the farm system bear for Tejada, who is not getting the job done offensively and earning his paycheck. They are five players away from competing. They need to think future. If not, they are only going to continue to struggled with mediocrity for years. The longer it takes to rebuild the system, the longer they will sit near the cellar. The Killer B Days are long gone. They should not have traded for a reliever as well. It is going to be a long couple of years down in Houston.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:33

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

I sure hope the giants make a move after showcasing the veterans the whole dodgers series resulting in a 23 inning scoreless streak

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:34 CoachBrian

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Brignac is a stop gap for Beckham. Sign Bartlett for the that term until Beckham is ready. Also I am not that high on Niemann anyway, trade them both...

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:34 Guest

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I am no longer high on Niemann, eitther.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:34

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

They just made another trade for a reliever. I give the Astros credit for not giving up

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:34 matdog420

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They do not deserve credit for that, MatDog. They deserve to be laughed at. They are a long way from being talented enough to compete. Their defense ranks among the worst in the majors in defensive efficiency, their bullpen and rotation are poor, and Berkmann and Carlos Lee are the only sluggers in that lineup with plus-.800 OPS totals.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:35

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To put it bluntly, Houston is not a good baseball team.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:36

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[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

drayton mclain = the new peter angelos. oh how sad it is to type those words.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:36 nadir

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Exactly. Was he not watching Angelos, who refused to rebuild in Baltimore for years and turned off the fan base. Angelos has finally seen the light, and with Matt Wieters and potentially Brian Matusz, they are going to be good in a tough AL East in the next decade.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:37

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Could a team possibly take a look at Dave Roberts ?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:37 CoachBrian

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[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

are the Red Sox going after any BP pitching in this deal, along with getting Jason Bay? We need help!

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:37 TheoE

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Grabow would wind up in the Boston bullpen. He is a solid left-handed reliever who has been effective, posting a 3.19 ERA in 53.2 innings pitched to this point.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:39

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According to Mark Bowman of MLB.com, the Rays, Yankees, and Red Sox are after Will Ohman.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:40

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

I agree Tyler, but if they start dumping players, what's that going to say to Berkman and Lee. Keeping older guys happy can go a long way in the future. But you are right they are a bad team.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:40 matdog420

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

What's the last thing you heard on Manny? Are the Marlins putting their foot down because of the idea of trading 2 prospects?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:40 JonH

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Click here for the latest on Manny.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:41

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

If the rays get Bay or Dunn what will they do with Gomes, Gross and Hinske?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:41 Guest

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Gomes would be the odd man out. Hinske is among Tampa Bay leaders in OPS and has put together a productive season. Gross' value would be his defense in right field.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:43

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Hinske needs to stay the other suck

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:43 matdog420

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Who cares about Gomes or Gross

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:43 Guest

1:43	Who would the Rays be better off with? Adam Dunn ( 19% ) Jason Bay ( 81% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 1:43

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

So we all agree?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44 Guest

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Isn't Gomes more of a DH anyway?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44 Guest

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Yes, he is. Gomes is a horrible defender in the outfield.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

What would happen if the Red Sox were to agree to something with Ohman? How much are they pursuing him? How would that play into the 3-way with PIT and FLA?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44 JonH

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Jason Stark just said he doesn't think the Pirate want to trade Bay unless they get a ransom

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44 matdog420

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Stark is right. The Pirates' asking price is not going to come down, in my opinion.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:44

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

.192 Batting average. Some DH huh

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:45 Guest

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To Gomes' credit, he has not received many at-bats. It is a small sample size. He really needs to play everyday to add any value offensively, but he is not good enough to play everyday. A tough bind for him there.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:45

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Is Jason Werth a possibility. Ive seen his name a few times linked to the Rays. He is batting over .300 w RISP. A RH bat who can play the OF(and has a bit of speed)

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:46 matdog420

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I would be all for that. Werth is an undervalued player who would not cost all that much.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:46

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Love his attitude personally and profesionally, but he is not MLB talent. I agree on Werth as well.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:47 Guest

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Gomes shouldnt get any credit, Tylrer. He has had chances to play everyday in the past and has never seemed to stick.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:47 matdog420

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I was talking about this year.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:47

1:48	Will the Griffey deal help the White Sox? Yes ( 55% ) No ( 45% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 1:48

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

agreed this year

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:48 matdog420

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Does Gomes have any trade value?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:49 Guest

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Gomes needs to sit and Ruggiano needs a shot, its much deserved. Are we done pursuing Dunn? Steve Phillips said it doesn't appear that we are going after him hard

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:49 Guest

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Gomes and Ruggiano not getting a "real" chance just blows my mind. especially since that is what the Rays have been looking for since Rocco went down in Spring Training

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:49 matdog420

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No on the trade value. Ruggiano needs a shot, and will probably get one if the Rays don't land Dunn or Bay, which seems unlikely at this point.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:50

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At least he should.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:50

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Do the Pirates want to do business with the Rays, and vica versa? Or are they sitting back and letting deals come to them?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:50 JonH

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The sides are just at odds over the prospects mentioned in the deal. They have been talking for the past three days.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:51

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The Pirates' asking price on Bay is really high, because he is under control until 2009 and will bring in compensation picks once he bolts for free agency.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:51

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

By the way, I saw Rocco Baldelli play the Tennessee Smokies a week or two ago----and for those who haven't seen, he looks great, played very well

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:51 Guest

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Thanks. Any other word on outfielders moving around that the Sox have their eyes on?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:51 JonH

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Thanks for sharing about Rocco. That is good to hear.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:52

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[Comment From greggreg: ]

The cubs are in such a tough decision, why aren't they making any moves? Sure they got harden, but they could really use another middle reliever.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:52 greg

1:52

The Cubs are unlikely to make any moves this afternoon, it seems.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:52

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I still think they are going to win the Central, though.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:53

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[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Yea (i changed name from guest) I figure Rocco will get the call up soon, Gammons said in this next homestand

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:53 RayinWV

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[Comment From personperson: ]

Rays should offer Niemann Brignac and possibly Hellickson

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:53 person

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[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

are we going after any bullpen help, particularly a lefty?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:53 RayinWV

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Rocco will, indeed, get called up in the next few weeks.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:53

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Niemann and Brignac? Perhaps they should, but Brignac is not likely to get moved. Hellickson is not worth it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:54

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

The Cubs? I think they like that kid they just called up Smajarzian(I know I killed that spelling)

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:54 matdog420

1:54

Just refer to him as the Notre Dame wide receiver. It's easier. He has looked great from the pen so far, but can he maintain it?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:54

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[Comment From stevesteve: ]

Do you think Dunn will get traded to the Rays? If so what would the reds get in return?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:55 steve

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Is Billy Beene done or is he in his office pulling his hair out ?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:55 CoachBrian

1:55

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Do the Red Sox have any interest in Dunn?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:55 JonH

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The A's are done. Billy Beane in his office dreaming about 2010, when the A's will begin their dynastic run in the West.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:55

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Red Sox have not shown interest in Dunn, at least I have not heard.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:56

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[Comment From personperson: ]

Well definetly not Davis Price or Mcgee.What is so speicial about Hellickson?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:56 person

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[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Samardizja looked really good playing for AA Tennessee. I really don't see us making any moves except for maybe a bullpen arm, am I wrong in that?

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:56 RayinWV

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

LoL

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:56 CoachBrian

1:58

Hellickson has tremendous command, advanced for a young pitcher. He went 7-0 with a sick K/W ratio in the Florida State League before his promotion. He does not profile as an ace--and his size turns off some scouts--but he is going to be a consistent innings eater who will not walk any one at the major league level. He has been roughed up at Montgomery, but he is a real good young pitcher.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:58

1:58

Cubs will probably not make any bullpen moves.

Thursday July 31, 2008 1:58

2:01

Here is a glance at Hellickson. And a scouting report.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:01

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[Comment From stevesteve: ]

Did I miss your answer on Dunn to the RAys?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:01 steve

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Price, Hellickson the Mcgee. In that order.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:01 Guest

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

In my opinion, the Manny situation needs to be dealt with in the next two hours, but do the Red Sox think the same thing? Do they see another 'Manny 2006 Special Ending' in the very near future?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:01 JonH

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[Comment From personperson: ]

Is he a reliver or starter?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:02 person

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[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

ESPN's Jayson Stark said an official with one of the clubs said the three-team Red Sox-Marlins-Pirates deal is dead. According to Stark's source: "The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them." Expect another update five minutes from now saying a deal is nearly done.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:02 RayinWV

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[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

I heard this morning on KNBR680 in SF that Brian Sabean should be the GM of the a's staying pat like he always does (harden), and Billy Beene should be the GM of the giants so we can get some deals done.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:02 CoachBrian

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[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Manny deal is dead....

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:02 RayinWV

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The Giants would certainly be better with Beane than Sabean, CoachBrian. Sabean is a product of my recent alma mater, Eckerd College, but he has made some boneheaded decisions. Liriano, Nathan for A.J?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:03

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The deal does appear to be dead.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:03

2:06

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

would'nt liriano and nathan be nice

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:06 CoachBrian

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[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Does that open up the door for the Rays to get Bay?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:06 Guest

2:06

That will reignite the talks.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:06

2:06

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

What ever happened to James Houser's propect status? I thought he was supposed to be one of those can't trade type of guys in years past

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:06 matdog420

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He is hurt right now, was suspended for 50 games last year and his prospect star has dimmed. He has been in the minors for a while now.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:06

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[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Any potential of changing gears with the Manny deal? Could the Red Sox be looking elsewhere, or have they run out of time?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07 JonH

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

I think maybe you might see where Im going with this

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07 matdog420

2:07

Hellickson?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07

2:07

Different story, MatDog.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07

2:07

Houser was never at that level.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07

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[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

true, but was it that way 2 years ago?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:07 matdog420

2:09

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Im still upset the giants did'nt get a major league ready player for durham

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:09 CoachBrian

2:09

[Comment From personperson: ]

What are the chances in your opinion the Rays make a deal for Bay and who would they give to Pit?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:09 person

2:09

[Comment From wakeguy7777wakeguy7777: ]

Might the Rockies still try to aquire a starting pitcher, or get rid of Fuentes, Helton, or Torrealba?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:09 wakeguy7777

2:10

Stark is saying the Bay to Tampa Bay deal is back on.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:10

2:11

Brignac and Jeff Niemann is the package the Rays are offering. Pittsburgh wants Wade Davis or Jeremy Hellickson, not Niemann.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:11

2:11

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

I mean, 2 years ago Im sure Niemann was un-touchable and now he's almost the only pitcher the Rays are willing to deal. Im just saying.... You said earlier you didn't think he was ever going ot be an "ace" but an innings eater

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:11 matdog420

2:11

True.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:11

2:11

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Gammons just said he didn't think it would happen wo Davis

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:11 matdog420

2:12

Fuentes is not going anyhwere, Stark is also saying.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12

2:12

[Comment From ddwaw23ddwaw23: ]

How about Werth. right handed outfielder....?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12 ddwaw23

2:12

[Comment From personperson: ]

Well who is better,Hellkison or Davis?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12 person

2:12

Davis has a higher ceiling.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12

2:12

[Comment From georgegeorge: ]

The rays could really use Dunn, i truly belive he is just hitting his prime. He strikes out a ton but he is so consistent and is going to get better.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12 george

2:12

Agree, George, not many sluggers can match his production.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12

2:12

[Comment From personperson: ]

Yea I like Davis more

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:12 person

2:13

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

I'd say Davis

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13 matdog420

2:13

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

After the giants sign Buster Posey are'nt they planing on fast tracking him ? So why not trade Molina and get something out of it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13 CoachBrian

2:13

Agreed. Posey is close to being major league ready.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13

2:13

[Comment From georgegeorge: ]

so what would the rays have to give up to get dunn?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13 george

2:13

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Longterm Davis but I say Hellickson short term

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13 Guest

2:13

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Is this guy on right now know anything? He just said Davis has taken a step back in his development. What?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:13 matdog420

2:14

[Comment From ddwaw23ddwaw23: ]

Just another left hander. Werth Werth Werth?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:14 ddwaw23

2:14

Keith Law knows his stuff.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:14

2:14

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Posey should be a RAY!!!!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:14 matdog420

2:15

Davis is actually closer to reaching the majors, and just made his Triple-A debut. He struggled a bit in Montgomery before his promotion.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:15

2:15

[Comment From Pete Hissey got too muchPete Hissey got too much: ]

Paul Konerko? Really???? Will Carroll says it's possible, what do you think?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:15 Pete Hissey got too much

2:15

Pete Hissey is a stud, and did not get too much. Who is this?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:15

2:16

[Comment From personperson: ]

What ever happened to Desmond Jennings?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:16 person

2:16

Jennings is out for the year with a shoulder injury.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:16

2:16

Law thinks Brignac could get moved.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:16

2:16

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Why should Posey be A Ray? Being tongue and cheek I hope. Navarro isn't that bad.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:16 Guest

2:17

He was talking about the draft. The Rays almost picked him number one overall, but were scared off by his bonus demands.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:17

2:17

[Comment From georgegeorge: ]

i would rather have dave kingman than konerko

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:17 george

2:17

[Comment From ddwaw23ddwaw23: ]

Konerko is done. Who needs another 240 guy

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:17 ddwaw23

2:17

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Read the forums, debates a plenty about that before the draft

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:17 matdog420

2:17

[Comment From Ok, he did good.Ok, he did good.: ]

Brignac will get moved, he was deemed "untouchable" as a sorry move to try and bump up his status. Now, what about Konerko?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:17 Ok, he did good.

2:18

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

The Rays Could use a .240 Guy. That would be third in starting lineup. Ha Ha

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:18 Guest

2:18

[Comment From personperson: ]

DO you think tere is a chance Rays get bay and Dunn?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:18 person

2:18

[Comment From personperson: ]

Brignac has good defense but I dont like his offense

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:18 person

2:19

Brignac has power potential, but his on-base skills leave a lot to be desired. He needs to improve his plate discipline, but you are right. He is a great defensive shortstop for a 22-year-old.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:19

2:19

[Comment From ddwaw23ddwaw23: ]

I still wnat a right handed outfielder. WHo else is there that doesn't bat below 250?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:19 ddwaw23

2:19

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Any more chances at a blockbuster trade? Or are deals left out there all about prospects and fine-tuning?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:19 JonH

2:19

Latest on Bay:

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:19

2:19

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Why would we want to bring in paul konerko? 9 HR's and a .214 AVG dont exactly get me too excited

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:19 RayinWV

2:22

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Keith Law just said Brignac is the top prospect on the market. Agree?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22 Ryan Reid is god.

2:22

Ryan Reid is god could only be Seth Hagler.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22

2:22

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

By the way Tyler, I would like to thank you for taking time to do this today before I forget

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22 matdog420

2:22

[Comment From georgegeorge: ]

latest on dunn?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22 george

2:22

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

NO.......you think?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22 Ryan Reid is god.

2:22

No problem, man.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:22

2:23

The Boston Globe is not buying the dead talk about Manny.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:23

2:23

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

same as "Pete Hissey got too much"

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:23 Ryan Reid is god.

2:23

figured as much

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:23

2:24

Blue Jays also pursuing Raul Ibanez of the Seattle Mariners, according to Stark.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:24

2:25	Who is the better prospect? Jeremy Hellickson ( 29% ) Wade Davis ( 64% ) Reid Brignac ( 7% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 2:25

2:25

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Yes, he's out for a long time, and the future is really uncertain, but why has McGee not even been named as a prospect? There is a chance he could come out of TJ surgery as an even better pitcher, but no one is interested?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:25 Ryan Reid is god.

2:25

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

But is "THE" deal dead, the PIT-FLA-BOS deal?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:25 JonH

2:25

[Comment From personperson: ]

Why are the Jays looking for people?Planning for next year?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:25 person

2:25

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Pirates asked for Marcum and Snider from Toronto----thats a pretty steep asking price IMO....The Jays seem to be wantin to throw their hates in AL East contention though

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:25 RayinWV

2:26

No one wants to take a risk on McGee beacuse of the surgery. If anything, a team should look into it because his value is low.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:26

2:26

person, I agree. They are not going anywhere. Pursuing Ibanez is foolish.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:26

2:26

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

how much of ridding the sux of manny is emotianl at this point for epstien and company? they have done so well creating teams, you would think they would not let manny get to them like he has.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:26 nadir

2:26

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Hats not hates lol

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:26 RayinWV

2:27

nadir, the worry is that Manny will dog it and and not give it his all the rest of the way if he stays. How many chances can one guy get? Pushing a traveling secretary, dogging it to first base twice on double plays. His antics are getting old.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:27

2:28

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Yea, with a star like Manny---if he's not happy......you make him happy.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:28 RayinWV

2:28

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

nadir, the fact that manny is a cancer to the team does not have anything to do with the Sox building good teams. If anything, they want to trade him so they can get the team back in order, and continue building

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:28 JonH

2:28

[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

nadir - I built the Sox on talent and team chemistry. Manny needs to go, but this is not a firesale.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:28 TheoE

2:28

They are still going to be in it, even if Manny goes.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:28

2:29

They were fine without Ortiz for a month, have him back and will not make the deal unless they have a solid replacement.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:29

2:29

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

they will be in it if manny is gone, but they will not win it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:29 nadir

2:29

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Did Kenny Lofton fall off the face of the earth? No mentions today....oversight?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:29 Ryan Reid is god.

2:29

I know. At least we will not have to see those DHL commericals anymore, though.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:29

2:30

No Bonds talk, either.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:30

2:30

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

They need to get him out of there because they're going to have him and not have him at the same time. No one wants a disgruntled Manny hanging around. He attracts media, chemsitry goes down, season goes down. Look at the last homestand. It's hideous

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:30 JonH

2:30

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

and really, if he dogged it the rest of the season that would hurt his future earnings. i just do not see it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:30 nadir

2:30

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Another good fit for Tampa. Lofton

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:30 Guest

2:33

[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

We have a better shot than the Yankees do: Pudge is not much better than Molina, Sexson is done, Farnsworthless was just starting to finally deliver

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 TheoE

2:33

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Upton is doggin' it also. My opinion.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 Guest

2:33

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

when you give up 22 runs to an anemic offense i'd say your pitching is more to blame than chemistry.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 nadir

2:33

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

I dont think Lofton would be a good fit, just my personal opinion.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 RayinWV

2:33

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

With Ortiz back, and the Red Sox being who they are, wouldn't they be fine without another big slugger like Manny? Say they got a Lofton or Ibanez, what would their chances be then, in your opinion?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 JonH

2:33

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Yeah, good fit if it's still the old "Where legends come to die", Wade Boggs-era Rays. I'm afraid he's too old and would just be another Cliff FLoyd.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 Ryan Reid is god.

2:33

[Comment From personperson: ]

Why did the Yankees want Washburn?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:33 person

2:34

person, who knows? Washburn is on a cute little streak, but he is a poor pitcher.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:34

2:34

Lofton would not be a good fit.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:34

2:35

I hate the knocks on Adam Dunn. He is a heck of a hitter.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:35

2:36

With or without Manny, the Red Sox are going to the postseason.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:36

2:36

[Comment From personperson: ]

If he is a football player at heart,lets put on the Bucs roster!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:36 person

2:36

Good point, he was actually a QB in high school. Gruden loves his QBs.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:36

2:37

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

I told you I met Ryan Reid the other night and told him about your article. He wrote down the address....and I got a sweet picture with Rocco.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:37 Ryan Reid is god.

2:37

nice

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:37

2:37

How did David Price look?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:37

2:37

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Wow, Tyler grows some balls...Red Sox are going? Now be a big boy and say wildcard or division champs!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:37 Ryan Reid is god.

2:38

I think the will win the divsion, though Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes could add a huge boost to the Yankees' rotation.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:38

2:38

[Comment From personperson: ]

Why isnt Price in AAA like Davis?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:38 person

2:38

This is first season as a pro. Davis was drafted back in 2004.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:38

2:38

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Lofton just for the postseason experience. Not for a turn around player. Other than Upton, who plays center on the Rays? Crawford, nope. Rocco, Maybe.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:38 Guest

2:38

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Do you think the Yankees will welcome those 2 arms back into the rotation, since they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves with the current staff. What will happen in their bullpen?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:38 JonH

2:39

Ponson is not going to last and they are pursuing Washburn. Their rotation could use a boost. Hughes, at least, will be welcomed back with open arms.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:39

2:39

He still profiles as a front-of-the-rotation starter.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:39

2:39

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

He looked sharp, gave up two home runs, but had some nasty stuff. The stadium radar didn't start working till the 4th, but I think he hit some waaaay upper 90's. His breakers aren't all that impressive (but still great), though, not a whole lot of missed swings.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:39 Ryan Reid is god.

2:40

Thanks for the report

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:40

2:40

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Yes, Kennedy and Hughes will help, but sending off Farnsworth, what will that do to the total of the bullpen?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:40 Ryan Reid is god.

2:40

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Washburn won't happen, it doesn't appear.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:40 Ryan Reid is god.

2:40

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Still a rookie though

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:40 matdog420

2:41

Did not mean for that to be private, Nadir

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41

2:41

True, and an injury risk, but he is a better talent than Kennedy, who is not as good of a prospect as the Yanks let on.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41

2:41

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

kennedy will be back next week when they toss ponson after another ineffective start.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41 nadir

2:41

Pirates and Tampa Bay are still talking, Stark says.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41

2:41

Washburn to New York is not going to happen.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41

2:41

[Comment From personperson: ]

Yea but so are Cardinals

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:41 person

2:42	Who will win the AL East? Rays ( 47% ) Yankees ( 27% ) Red Sox ( 27% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 2:42

2:42

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

what do you think that conversation entails?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:42 matdog420

2:42

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Where's Dunn at right now? Did Cincy put their phones on silent?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:42 JonH

2:42

The Dunn front has been quiet. About an hour until the deadline.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:42

2:42

[Comment From personperson: ]

they keep saying 80 minutes

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:42 person

2:43

Well, it's 2:40.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43

2:43

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Pirate: We want Davis and Brignac.... Rays: no how about Niemann

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43 matdog420

2:43

Exactly, Matdog.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43

2:43

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Hey, if that was really Epstein (TheoE) in this thing, then please get someone for Manny!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43 JonH

2:43

Haha.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43

2:43

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

so basically one team is waiting for the other to back down

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:43 matdog420

2:44

Pretty much. As the deadline gets closer, one team might just back down. But I do not think it will be the Rays.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:44

2:44

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

How many possible moves are the Rays looking at right now?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:44 JonH

2:47

Arthur Rhodes is headed to the Marlins.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:47

2:47

[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

JonH - I am trying as hard as I can, dude! This guy is wearing like a pair of concrete boots in the Hudson River.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:47 TheoE

2:47

[Comment From personperson: ]

I wish the Rays could get Holliday and Halladay!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:47 person

2:47

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Possibility we pick up Ohman from the Braves?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:47 Ryan Reid is god.

2:48

They have asked about Ohman, but he may not get moved and all three teams in the East are going after him.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:48

2:48

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

The Rays need to put out some false rumors to maybe drive the Pirates price down

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:48 matdog420

2:48

I am sure they are trying.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:48

2:49

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

aren'

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:49 Ryan Reid is god.

2:49

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

wasn'

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:49 Ryan Reid is god.

2:49

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Wasn't the whole Adam Dunn thing/Briggy is off the market doing the same thing>?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:49 Ryan Reid is god.

2:49

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

TheoE or Tyler. Any chance of just a BOS-FLA deal?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:49 JonH

2:49

Doesn't seem likely at this point.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:49

2:50	Who will win the NL East? Marlins ( 23% ) Phillies ( 23% ) Mets ( 54% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 2:50

2:51

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Phillips giving GM's advice before the deadlin?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:51 matdog420

2:51

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

So with an hour left, we're stuck with Manny it seems, huh?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:51 JonH

2:52

It is beyond hysterical. But he was actually not the GM who shipped Kazmir to Tampa Bay. That was Jim Duquette.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52

2:52

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

deadline*

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52 matdog420

2:52

[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

JonH - possible, but they keep asking for a prospect like Buchholz, Lowrie or Masterson, plus the $$. Still working it, have faith, RSN!

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52 TheoE

2:52

[Comment From personperson: ]

Manny is better than Bay.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52 person

2:52

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Well that guy is an idiot as well

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52 matdog420

2:52

indeed

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52

2:52

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

looks like the Rays get Bay For a six pack of yoohoo

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:52 Guest

2:54

Guess which line belongs these positions for Tampa Bay of DH, LF and right field, without looking at the stats.

.242/.329/.447, .776, OPS 20 home runs

.227/.299/.392, .691 OPS 14 home runs

.270/.317/.409, .726 OPS 10 home runs

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54

2:54

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Manny is a HoF player, bay is an all-star in PIT. obviously manny is better

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 JonH

2:54

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

You've got xm...what is Topkin saying about Bay, anything new?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 Ryan Reid is god.

2:54

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

Theo - I got faith in you man, you'll get it done.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 JonH

2:54

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Gammons said maybe Manny to Dodgers. Makes more sense

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 matdog420

2:54

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

I mean have you priced yoohoo lately?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 Guest

2:54

[Comment From personperson: ]

How lod is Hermida?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:54 person

2:59

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

24?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:59 JonH

2:59

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

yes, born in 84, he's 24.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:59 JonH

2:59

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Topkin apparently said a deal for Bay was possible without the Rays having to give up elite prospects??? Do you see that happening?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:59 Ryan Reid is god.

2:59

[Comment From TheoETheoE: ]

JonH - Manny is a pure Ho', as long as he sees the $$, he would play for the Bad News Bears. Need to find some decent offensive production to replace him with. Oops- phone is ringing again, GTG.

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:59 TheoE

2:59

I don't see that happening. Did Topkin quote any sources?

Thursday July 31, 2008 2:59

3:00

Any thoughts on the Teixeira deal?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:00

3:00

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Is Neimann and Brignac at the deadline enough?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:00 Ryan Reid is god.

3:00

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

No, he was just spouting it on XM

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:00 Ryan Reid is god.

3:00

Figured.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:00

3:00

It will have to be enough.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:00

3:01

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Thursday July 31, 2008 3:01

3:01

will an Angels fan make a Teixiera tribute video?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:01

3:01

that is what i want to know

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:01

3:01

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Have you tried to do anything on the Pittsburgh POst website??? I think it needs to be put out to pasture after today's traffic

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:01 Ryan Reid is god.

3:01

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

Where the Giants showcasing Jose Castillo at 2b ?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:01 CoachBrian

3:02

[Comment From personperson: ]

3:00 almost finished

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:02 person

3:04

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

So will anybody top Griffey for tomorrow's headlines?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:04 JonH

3:04

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Niemann will be a good fit for Pitt. He will be in the top 5 of the pitching prospects in the organization. Right? I really don't know too much of their farm system.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:04 Guest

3:04

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

August 31 - Greg Maddux is on waivers. Rays try for the pickup?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:04 Ryan Reid is god.

3:04

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:04

3:05

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Nope as well.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:05 Guest

3:05

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Ok, Braves asked for a pitching prospect for Ohman, who from the Rays would it take? (I know it won't happen, I'm just wondering)

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:05 Ryan Reid is god.

3:06

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

One hr to go !!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:06 CoachBrian

3:06

[Comment From joejoe: ]

what about david price?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:06 joe

3:06

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Jason Hammel? And Yoohoo

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:06 Guest

3:07

Joe, David Price is the best pitching prospect in the minors. He is not going anywhere for a rental.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:07

3:07

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

I just heard the dodgers are in the picture for manny and the rays are talking about dunn heavy !!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:07 CoachBrian

3:07

[Comment From personperson: ]

Offer Pirates Gomes+Niemann and Brignac

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:07 person

3:08

Pirates would not want Gomes, though. They are not going to budge off of their request for Davis or Hellickson.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:08

3:08

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Who wants Gomes? OVER-RATED

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:08 Guest

3:09

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Gomes would clear waivers. Both ways. Well maybe the Yankees would grab him.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:09 Guest

3:09

[Comment From personperson: ]

Well we need to get rid of him!!How about Hammel or Glover?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:09 person

3:09

[Comment From CoachBrianCoachBrian: ]

UFC wants Gomes

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:09 CoachBrian

3:10

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Is Davis too much if we can resign Bay?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:10 Ryan Reid is god.

3:10

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Or the WWE CoachBrian.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:10 Guest

3:11

Bay would be a tough sign. If he can continue to hit 30 homers with a plus-.900 OPS in 2009, he is going to demand a long-term, high-money deal.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:11

3:11

[Comment From D-Back DaveD-Back Dave: ]

Have the DBacks done anything this morning?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:11 D-Back Dave

3:11

The D'Backs don't appear likely to make any moves.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:11

3:11

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Just for next year, though.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:11 Ryan Reid is god.

3:12

ESPN on D'Backs:

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:12

3:12

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

how much was the griffey trade nostalgia vs solid baseball analysis? it just seems the WS gm wanted him so badly in past years that he failed to see his declining numbers and pedestrian defense. just does not make sense to me, and i feel it will hurt them and makes the twins the favorite to win the division.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:12 nadir

3:14

Griffey is not going to make a huge upgrade for the White Sox. There is really no room for him, he is no longer good enough to play center field--where he could play if they move Nick Swisher--and his offensive skills are on the decline. The deal will not make that much of an impact, but at least he gets a chance at a ring. It was good for the Reds to get his salary off the books.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14

3:14

[Comment From personperson: ]

Stark says There will be a deal for Bay

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14 person

3:14

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Think Bay in RF next year, then D-Jennings in '10!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14 Ryan Reid is god.

3:14

If Jennings can stay on the field.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14

3:14

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

WE GOT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14 Ryan Reid is god.

3:14

[Comment From ryanryan: ]

Scott Erye possiably going to the Red Soxs or Yankees anything on that?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:14 ryan

3:15

Rays landed Bay.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:15

3:15

Niemann and Brignac are the prospects.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:15

3:15

This is great for the Rays.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:15

3:15

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

HELLL YESSSSS

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:15 Ryan Reid is god.

3:16

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Even if the Rays couldn't re-sign Bay they would receive draft pick compensation.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:16 matdog420

3:16

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

For Neimann and Brignac

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:16 Ryan Reid is god.

3:16

[Comment From personperson: ]

ESPN.com says the Dunn deal is dead

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:16 person

3:16	Was Jason Bay worth Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann? Yes ( 79% ) No ( 21% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 3:16

3:16

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love it

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:16 Guest

3:17

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

can the rays win the division now?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:17 nadir

3:17

Bay will certainly help their chances. He adds a solid right-handed bat to their lineup, which has struggled mightily with disappointing performances from Carlos Pena and Carl Crawford.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:17

3:17

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

hey tyler, looks like we need to move back to the Bay for the postseason!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:17 Ryan Reid is god.

3:17

It certainly does.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:17

3:19

Jack Wilson, the Pirates' current shortstop, might get shipped now, but I don't think that Brignac is ready.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19

3:19

Niemann should go right to the pros, take his lumps.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19

3:19

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

miller lite time?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19 Ryan Reid is god.

3:19

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

So whats the finalized deal, Brignac and Niemann for Bay?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19 RayinWV

3:19

That is what it appears to be.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19

3:19

[Comment From D-Back DaveD-Back Dave: ]

Greg Maddox will be a D-Back by the deadline. Webb, Haren, Johnson, Maddox, Davis will win the NL and face the Angels in the World Series

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19 D-Back Dave

3:19

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Is he ready?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:19 Ryan Reid is god.

3:20

Maddux, who is likely staying pat, will not make that much of an impact, regardless.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:20

3:20

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

That blog was at 2:57, why no conformation or hint from any other source?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:20 matdog420

3:20

[Comment From personperson: ]

Well Niemann probaly would probaly have come up next year anyways.He was on the 40-man correct?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:20 person

3:20

I agree, MatDog. Chastain got a good scoop there. Is it true, though?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:20

3:21

Since he is an employee of the organization, they would not give him wrong information, but it is not official, by any means.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21

3:21

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

I don't know that "taking his lumps" would help....wouldn't he run a huuuge risk of turning into another....oh hell, I'm too excited to think about that. Miller Lite time for sure. Maybe I can get Midtown to send up some Big Beers.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21 Ryan Reid is god.

3:21

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

I like this deal, didn't have to give up Davis or Hellickson, Niemann just doesn't seem to me like he has "it" and we're crowded at SS, so we should be good. I like the deal

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21 RayinWV

3:21

I really like this deal, too.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21

3:21

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

will carroll confirmed.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21 Ryan Reid is god.

3:21

You got a link.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:21

3:25

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

He said it in the BP Roundtable going on now.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:25 Ryan Reid is god.

3:25

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Kevin Goldstein (12:18:17 PM PT): I think it's done. Bay to Rays for Jeff Niemann and Reid Brignac. The rebuilding in Pittsburgh continues.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:25 Ryan Reid is god.

3:25

Great.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:25

3:27

Rosenthal update on Bay:

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:27

3:27

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Still pickup Fuentes, at all a possibility?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:27 Ryan Reid is god.

3:27

[Comment From personperson: ]

Great I hope so.ESPN hasent said anything yet though.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:27 person

3:28

Yeah, the Manny deal was reportedly done, too, so who knows?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:28

3:28

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

I really don't think Niemann had what it took to be a good starting pitcher for us, Brignac is a good prospect, and may turn out to be a good MLB SS but I dont think Niemann had it

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:28 RayinWV

3:29

Let's do the division poll again.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:29

3:29	Now that the Rays have landed Jason Bay, who is the favorite in the East? Rays ( 75% ) Yankees ( 8% ) Red Sox ( 17% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 3:29

3:30

If Manny stays, he will be a distraction for the Red Sox.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:30

3:30

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

They haven't actually "got" him yet, do they?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:30 matdog420

3:30

No, it is still only Chastain's word.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:30

3:30

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

Apparently the Jays are "very close" to a deal for Ibanez. Are they really going to try and win this thing?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:30 Ryan Reid is god.

3:31

It looks that way. That is a myopic outlook, but Ricciardi's job may be on the line.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:31

3:31	Should we do one of these chats again? Yes ( 100% ) No ( 0% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 3:31

3:31

[Comment From personperson: ]

Another commercial.....no mention of Bay

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:31 person

3:31

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

They have been a better team since the manager change

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:31 matdog420

3:31

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

well the jays are playing for richardi's (sp???) job, so he's all in i assume

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:31 nadir

3:32

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

They're going to look pretty good, now that the Sox are going to drop off the earth with ManRam

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:32 JonH

3:32

Exactly, nadir. Gatson has helped in the clubhouse, but they still cannot hit, and even if they land Ibanez, will he help that much?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:32

3:33

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

i see i am not th eonly one who thinks so.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33 nadir

3:33

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

still nothing on espn is there?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33 RayinWV

3:33

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

ManRam may be the gayest nickname I've ever heard lol

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33 RayinWV

3:33

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

a myopic outlook? well put, tyler.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33 Ryan Reid is god.

3:33

There is that Eckerd education for ya.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33

3:33

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

yeah, its not meant to be a friendly nickname

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33 JonH

3:33

Reminds me of RamRod from SuperTroopers

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:33

3:34

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

haha, great movie, great comparison

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34 JonH

3:34

Jays are the only suitor for Ibanez at this point.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34

3:34

[Comment From russruss: ]

is anything happening with the phillies, any close to a deal of any kind. thanks

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34 russ

3:34

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

so let me get the straight... Bay is not a Ray yet, or is he?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34 JonH

3:34

It is not official yet.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34

3:34

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

So if he played with Alex Rodrigez with they be a RamRod combo?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:34 matdog420

3:35

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

so are we done, or do we go after a LHP for the bullpen?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:35 RayinWV

3:35

I think the Rays are done, RayINWV, if this deal goes through.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:35

3:35

[Comment From bigjulezbigjulez: ]

bay to the rays is being reported on mlb.com's trade blog

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:35 bigjulez

3:36

Mets interested in Nationals' reliever

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:36

3:36

We could do these chats every once in a while.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:36

3:37

I meant the White Sox, not the Mets with that link. My bad.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:37

3:37

The Mets are looking at reliever Luis Ayala.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:37

3:37

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

I like this chat, being the only ray fan in the state of WV i have no one to talk baseball with lol

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:37 RayinWV

3:38

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

when will the mets break into utter disrepair this season?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:38 nadir

3:38

[Comment From personperson: ]

Isnt Princeton in WV?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:38 person

3:38

it is, probably why he likes the Rays

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:38

3:39	Will the Marlins fade? Yes ( 74% ) No ( 26% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 3:39

3:39

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

yea it is, home of the P-Rays!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:39 RayinWV

3:39

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

uh oh.....times is saying the names aren't correct. We may be in for a change.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:39 Ryan Reid is god.

3:39

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

i don't know if this is old news, but Gammons is saying Manny will OK a straight deal to the Marlins, and the Marlins are asking for the money for his contract, and 2 prospects.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:39 JonH

3:39

That is not a good sign, Seth.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:39

3:40

It is old news, it still could happen, though.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:40

3:40

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Nah not the only reason, I have family outside of St. Pete, i've probably been to 60-70 Rays games, including road games that is

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:40 RayinWV

3:40

[Comment From personperson: ]

Have you seen Beckham at all?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:40 person

3:40

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

But now mlb.com has a second source confirming.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:40 Ryan Reid is god.

3:40

Great.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:40

3:41

[Comment From dandan: ]

i think the marlins will win the east. whays ur take

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:41 dan

3:42

I think they will falter as I wrote about here. They are relying on the long ball, have a poor team OBP, bad defense and inexperienced rotation. They are not going to make another surprise run.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:42

3:42

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

pittsburgh news has hell-boy, brignac, talbot and jaso for bay and grabow

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:42 Ryan Reid is god.

3:42

Really

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:42

3:42

Link?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:42

3:42

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

No haven't seen him yet, I'm gonna try t before too long

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:42 RayinWV

3:43

You should and then come back and provide a scouting report on him.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:43

3:44

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Yea its only about a 40 minute drive, I went to a few games earlier in the year, but I'll make sure to see him, always try to see the top prospects when they come to princeton.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:44 RayinWV

3:44

Olney says the Phillies are unlikely to add a reliever.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:44

3:45

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

15 min till meltdown. how many more deals will be made? i say 4 after the rays/pirates.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:45 nadir

3:45

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

I can't get the pitt-post gazette to load up.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:45 RayinWV

3:45

That site is so slow right now.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:45

3:47

Ibanez staying in Seattle

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:47

3:47

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

I'm trying to link but the Pittsburgh site is killing me.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:47 Ryan Reid is god.

3:48

Dodgers in play on Manny. I still think he will get shipped.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:48

3:48

[Comment From andyandy: ]

rays aquire bay for brignac and neiman

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:48 andy

3:49

Not a done deal, according to Mayo,

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:49

3:49

Mayo:

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:49

3:50

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

If Manny goes, and Bay comes to ....the Bay, how does that effect the power hierarchy in the East for the next three months (if not longer)?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:50 Ryan Reid is god.

3:50

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

figures....

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:50 matdog420

3:51

Losing Manny will hurt Boston, but they are still legit. The Rays' odds will increase, as Bay is expected to add about three wins above a replacement level outfielder.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:51

3:51

[Comment From Ryan Reid is god.Ryan Reid is god.: ]

If Briggy is holding up this deal, how does that reflect on the management?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:51 Ryan Reid is god.

3:51

[Comment From andyandy: ]

bay will help the rays win the east

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:51 andy

3:51

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Just deal Brignac if thats the sticking point.Damn.....

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:51 matdog420

3:51

Agree. Brignac should be dealt if that is what is holding up the talks.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:51

3:52

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

yankees in 3rd this year.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52 nadir

3:52

[Comment From andyandy: ]

reports from Tampa is the deal is done Brignac and Neiman for Bay

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52 andy

3:52

Updates from the Heater:

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52

3:52

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

link???

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52 matdog420

3:52

[Comment From andyandy: ]

The rays have plenty of SS in the Minors for the Future

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52 andy

3:52

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

which stienbrenner's head explodes 1st?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:52 nadir

3:53

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

I totally agree. Atleast we didn't have to part with a front line pitcher.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:53 Guest

3:53

[Comment From MikeMike: ]

Who is the MVP of the AL so far?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:53 Mike

3:54

Gammons is talking about Bay right now. He has no clear confirmation.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:54

3:54

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

so how many players are going to be pissed that their respective teams were trying to dump them as they play out the rest of the year?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:54 JonH

3:57

[Comment From andyandy: ]

WDAE reported it about 30 min ago that the deal was done for the 2 minor league players.

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:57 andy

3:57

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

sounds like one last call to see if they can get the 3 way deal going befoe accepting the Rays offer

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:57 matdog420

3:57

[Comment From guestguest: ]

pirates http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08213/900835-63.stm

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:57 guest

3:59

[Comment From guestguest: ]

so whats the deal...2 mins to go is bay a ray?

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:59 guest

3:59

[Comment From personperson: ]

what happened to the bay trade?!!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 3:59 person

4:00

deadline is here.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:00

4:00

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

so did the pirates over extend themselves?

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:00 Guest

4:01

A lot of deals are not officially finalized until after 4:00, so stay tuned.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:01

4:01

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

well......whats the deal?

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:01 Guest

4:01

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

last year or the year before deals were announced a few hours after the deadline, any chance of that this year?

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:01 nadir

4:01

Good point, Nadir.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:01

4:02

[Comment From andyandy: ]

I think aslong as the paper work is in the can finalize it after the deadline then report it later. They did that last year if I am not mistaken

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:02 andy

4:02

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

it looks like the pirates tried to do too much, but do you think they got anything off before 4?

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:02 JonH

4:02

They certainly could have.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:02

4:03

I still cannot believe Griffey is on his third team. Do you remember how nasty he was with the Mariners? Playing Griffey baseball and wearing the Griffey shoes.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:03

4:03

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

they were a little greedy to from some things I have read.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:03 Guest

4:03

[Comment From macmac: ]

so any chance manny comes to tampa since tampa now has bay

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:03 mac

4:04

No.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04

4:04

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

so we're just left to play the waiting game i suppose

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04 JonH

4:04

It looks like it.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04

4:04

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

haha, griffey was amazing, i have a pair of his cleats, and own griffey slugfest

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04 JonH

4:04

Slugfest was the sickest game for N-64.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04

4:04

It is hard to believe that he is 38. I got to see his 600th home run down in Miami, it was awesome.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04

4:04

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

that was me on the greedy thing, they wanted too much from what I've seen

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:04 RayinWV

4:05

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

easily, haha. i just find it amazing how he came back from all those injuries. everyone thought he was done.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:05 JonH

4:05

He should get a shot at a ring, at least. The White Sox should win the Central.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:05

4:05

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

how could the likes of the padres, astros, national, mariners, etc... stand pat. fans really need to be able to fire owners!!!!

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:05 nadir

4:05

[Comment From matdog420matdog420: ]

Wonder if Ruggiano will be in the Durham line-up tonight(if they play)

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:05 matdog420

4:06

He probably will be.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:06

4:06

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Rosenthal said the Bay and Rays deal is probably dead.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:06 Guest

4:06

[Comment From nadirnadir: ]

griffey will sit at home again as teh twins will win the division now that the WS mucked everything up....

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:06 nadir

4:06

The Twins are not going anywhere, their fluky run with RISP will not last, in my opinion.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:06

4:06

[Comment From personperson: ]

I hope the Rays somehow got Bay

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:06 person

4:07

From Rosenthal:

The Rays' pursuit of Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is off "unless a miracle happens," according to a source close to the negotiations.

Whether that means the three-way Manny Ramirez blockbuster is back on remains to be seen.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:07

4:08

Did not mean to copy that poll.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:08

4:08

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

well tyler, thanks for all the info.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:08 JonH

4:08

[Comment From JonHJonH: ]

i'll definitely be checking in to this blog again.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:08 JonH

4:08

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Did the Rockies do anything.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:08 Guest

4:08

Thanks for stopping by. The Rockies did not do anything, but there could be a deal to be announced later. Fuentes is staying put.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:08

4:09

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Team front said we got Bay for Brignac and Niemann . Posted about 5 minutes ago

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:09 Guest

4:09

Really?

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:09

4:10

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

that's what it said. Team front post.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:10 Guest

4:11	Which Rays starter will end up with the best career? Kazmir ( 33% ) Price ( 50% ) Garza ( 0% ) Shields ( 17% ) Davis ( 0% ) Thursday July 31, 2008 4:11

4:11

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

Nothing beats the trade deadline, except maybe the NFL draft....

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:11 RayinWV

4:11

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Scout.com Post

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:11 Guest

4:12

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

According to Bill Chastain of MLB.com

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:12 Guest

4:12

[Comment From DIDDLEDIDDLE: ]

IS MANNY REALLY COMING TO MIA

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:12 DIDDLE

4:12

Yeah Chastain appears to be wrong, though.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:12

4:12

I went back and changed that.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:12

4:13

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Nothing beats a trade deadline in any of the 4 major sports.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:13 Guest

4:18

[Comment From why notwhy not: ]

Bay not heading to the bay With the 4 p.m. ET Trade Deadline past, a baseball source in Tampa Bay confirmed that no deal was struck between the Rays and Pirates to send Jason Bay to Tampa Bay in exchange for prospects. While there remains the possibility that another team could have snuck in an offer before 4 p.m., it appears right now that Bay is staying in Pittsburgh. No other substantial offers were known to be on the table. -- Jenifer Langosch

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:18 why not

4:18

Law says Pirates' asking price was too high, and deal did not go through.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:18

4:19

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

when should we know for sure, i know in years past deals have been announced pretty late in the day

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:19 RayinWV

4:19

[Comment From RayinWVRayinWV: ]

PIrates were greedy, thats why this deal didn't get done.

Thursday July 31, 2008 4:19 RayinWV