Dr. Boone, Campus Leadership

7:40

Coach Norm:

Principals and the change process

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:40 Coach Norm

7:41

Coach Norm:

Principals role - they can make change.
Takes time
Change is constant

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:41 Coach Norm

7:42

Coach Norm:

Teacher capacity and authentic change
Staff development

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:42 Coach Norm

7:44

Coach Norm:

Models of change
Fullan Model -
Lewan's Force Field Analysis
CBAN model
Data Decision making.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:44 Coach Norm

7:44

[Comment From alexalex: ]

Cool! How do I respond to the lecture or to your comments?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:44 alex

7:44

Coach Norm:

That is how.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:44 Coach Norm

7:45

Coach Norm:

I had to approve you as a panelists.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:45 Coach Norm

7:47

Coach Norm:

How to lie with statistics, Book

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:47 Coach Norm

7:48

Coach Norm:

AP classes arguement is correlational not causal.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:48 Coach Norm

7:49

Coach Norm:

The lengths of skirts and the dow jones average are correlational.

The higher the average, the shorter the skirts.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:49 Coach Norm

7:50

alex:

Evidence of data-based research being biased. Supports title of book.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:50 alex

7:51

Coach Norm:

Change Models reading in class from Foundations of Education

Wednesday July 16, 2008 7:51 Coach Norm

8:00

Coach Norm:

Numbers can used to make any arguement. Does the state do this with TAKS, AEIS, etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:00 Coach Norm

8:01

alex:

interesting article. Which do you prefer or relate best to?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:01 alex

8:02

Coach Norm:

Four Models of Change
Lionberger's Stages of Change
Fullan' Three I Model
Concerns-Based Adopption Model (CBAM)
Lewin's Force-Field Analysis

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:02 Coach Norm

8:02

Coach Norm:

Lewin's Force-field Analysis sounds most intersting but requires what I would see as major feedback driven.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:02 Coach Norm

8:03

Coach Norm:

How about you?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:03 Coach Norm

8:03

Coach Norm:

Models can provide guidelines, but are not recipes.

Models are an attempt to describe reality.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:03 Coach Norm

8:05

Coach Norm:

Lionberger - older model
Awareness, interest, evaluation, trial and adoption

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:05 Coach Norm

8:06

Coach Norm:

Lionberger's model was in regards to Agricultural model

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:06 Coach Norm

8:06

alex:

I was thinking almost the exact thing as you for that one. I also appreciate the hierarchy for Lionberger's Stage. Seems easier to teach to staff and feel support. However, I see flaws as well.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:06 alex

8:07

Coach Norm:

Lionberger's seems very scientific in the method. In fact, I think it is almost second nature.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:07 Coach Norm

8:07

Coach Norm:

It is very linear model.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:07 Coach Norm

8:08

Coach Norm:

This would be better with more people involved in the back chat here. More learning would be going on with more input from others.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:08 Coach Norm

8:09

Coach Norm:

How would you use Lionberger's model in schools?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:09 Coach Norm

8:10

Coach Norm:

Step 1 - Look and gather data,

Put articles in other's mailboxes,

Utilize media for steps 1 and 2.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:10 Coach Norm

8:10

alex:

I'm pressuring Aaron to get on board:-) Ike has his computer, do not know his email. perhaps in break?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:10 alex

8:11

Coach Norm:

I showed this to him last week. He bookmarked it but did not get in the chat as we are.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:11 Coach Norm

8:11

Coach Norm:

It does require more energy to stay tuned into class as well as the backchannel here.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:11 Coach Norm

8:13

Coach Norm:

Trial and Adoption - best way of informing others is by word of mouth.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:13 Coach Norm

8:14

Coach Norm:

Influence of friends and neighbors relates to PLC's

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:14 Coach Norm

8:18

Coach Norm:

Cost of failure in education is very costly.

We must setup an environment of experimenting and being allowed to have successes as well as failures

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:18 Coach Norm

8:19

Coach Norm:

Followup is very important.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:19 Coach Norm

8:20

Coach Norm:

TAP program - provides focus, lesson, followup, and feedback on implementation isssues.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:20 Coach Norm

8:20

alex:

Strong asset for trial is to have Instructional Coach model new program/technology in classrooms

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:20 alex

8:21

aaron:

failure is expensive - how about the farmers now. majority using pesticides and fertilizers and have run american agriculture into the ground.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:21 aaron

8:21

Coach Norm:

I like the idea of the TAP and Instructional Coach.

Very good method for creating change. Staff development is ongoing. Like taking medicine over a period of time rather than getting a vaccination or inoculation.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:21 Coach Norm

8:24

Coach Norm:

Fullan Model
The Three I's
Initiation
Implementation
Institutionilization

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:24 Coach Norm

8:25

Coach Norm:

Initiation stage - preliminary info, moblization
Problem, awareness and interest from Lionbergers

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:25 Coach Norm

8:26

Coach Norm:

Implementation - actual methods and practices.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:26 Coach Norm

8:26

Coach Norm:

Institutionalization - sustained part of the system.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:26 Coach Norm

8:29

alex:

Problems with 3 stages-

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:29 alex

8:29

Coach Norm:

Sustaining innovation - difficulty is having to constanly starting over with high turn over rate.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:29 Coach Norm

8:29

alex:

DIdn't mean to send that yet..

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:29 alex

8:30

Coach Norm:

no problems. It is not meant to be neat and clean. Learning is messy.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:30 Coach Norm

8:30

alex:

Intitiation--what about the problem solutions? Implementation--finances, community support, permission from school board Institutionalization--high teacher turnover

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:30 alex

8:32

Coach Norm:

By the way, the notes are also searchable. You hit control and it opens the find window. Great way to search the notes for ideas or content.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:32 Coach Norm

8:34

Coach Norm:

As an administrator, ask your staff, would you continue this program is I left tomorrow?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:34 Coach Norm

8:36

Coach Norm:

Developing capacity as a school leader is key.

If one or two key parts leave, then the system should be able to continue as if they were not there.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:36 Coach Norm

8:36

alex:

Control and what? not working on mine

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:36 alex

8:37

Coach Norm:

Concerns-baed adoption model

CBAM

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:37 Coach Norm

8:37

Coach Norm:

Individuals who implement change
Change agents
Resources

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:37 Coach Norm

8:38

Coach Norm:

Hall and Hord - 2001

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:38 Coach Norm

8:39

Coach Norm:

Change is a process not an event

Ongoing.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:39 Coach Norm

8:40

Coach Norm:

Control button and F at the same time.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:40 Coach Norm

8:41

Coach Norm:

Lewin's Force-Field Analysis

a state of equilibrium exists - drive forces vs. resisting forces.

Two ways to exist change - increase driving force or decrease resisting forces.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:41 Coach Norm

8:42

Coach Norm:

Only when one of these forces are unbalanced does this model work.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:42 Coach Norm

8:43

Coach Norm:

Unfreezing
Changing
Refreezing

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:43 Coach Norm

8:43

Coach Norm:

Unless force is apply, change does not happen.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:43 Coach Norm

8:45

alex:

find-cool feature. how do you send private messages?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:45 alex

8:46

Coach Norm:

Schools are under pressure to change. It will continue to change as well.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:46 Coach Norm

8:54

[Comment From Beto...Beto...: ]

Im in...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:54 Beto...

8:54

Coach Norm:

Welcome to the conversation Beto.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 8:54 Coach Norm

9:09

Coach Norm:

What is Data-driven decision making?

Collecting Data
Analyzing Data
Reporting Data
Using Data for school improvement
COmmunicating through data

Data-driven decision making requires a cultural sift in thinkning that must be nurtured as that all stakeholders are committed to this effort.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:09 Coach Norm

9:09

[Comment From IkeIke: ]

me too

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:09 Ike

9:09

Coach Norm:

Welcome Ike

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:09 Coach Norm

9:10

Coach Norm:

All feel free to input anything you want here.
It is a group effort.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:10 Coach Norm

9:11

Coach Norm:

We rarely look at hard numbers and we rarely look at research. We most often depend on our own experiences.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:11 Coach Norm

9:12

[Comment From IkeIke: ]

data that should be used for school improvement is more than numbers / but we rarely look at hard numbers in an effective way

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:12 Ike

9:12

[Comment From CarolynCarolyn: ]

What is TAP again? reading back through your notes.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:12 Carolyn

9:12

[Comment From IkeIke: ]

I just typed it didn't go thru

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:12 Ike

9:13

alex:

Teacher Assessment Program--master teachers, instructional coach, etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:13 alex

9:13

Coach Norm:

Data helps to ...
measure student progress
make sure students don't fall through the cracks
measure program effecgtiveness
assess instructional effectiveenss
guide curriculum development
allocate resources wisely
promote accountability
report to the community
meet state and federal reporting requirements
maintain educational focus

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:13 Coach Norm

9:14

Coach Norm:

Data do not help
if the data is not valid and reliable
appropriate questions are not asked after reviewing the data
if it is not used to make wise decisions.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:14 Coach Norm

9:15

Ike:

data such as hard numbers can heighten awareness and minimize opportunities to make excuses

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:15 Ike

9:16

Coach Norm:

Strength of data

Data provide quantifiable data without emotion, and rancor

Determining what data you want to collect allows you to define the problem.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:16 Coach Norm

9:17

Coach Norm:

Data driven school improvement helps supt. and other know whether the district and its schools are achieving thier goals and purpose.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:17 Coach Norm

9:18

Coach Norm:

If you leave the kids alone, it is almost totally dependent upon family income.

KEY IS THAT IS ONLY IF YOU LEAVE THEM ALONE, so intervention is very important.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:18 Coach Norm

9:19

Ike:

utilizing data can also shift focus of conversation from teacher insufficiencies to need to increase student learning..."looking at the data we have a need, what can we do?" rather than singling out teachers which I think usually is rather ineffective

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:19 Ike

9:19

alex:

I don't think they know less, they just know different

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:19 alex

9:19

Beto...:

exactly

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:19 Beto...

9:19

Ike:

think back to capital / social / cultural / etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:19 Ike

9:20

Coach Norm:

Take the TAKS test for instance, higher income schools perform better statistically. That is an example.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:20 Coach Norm

9:21

Ike:

so where do you devote more time to? to providing experiences or creating structures in the school that validate their cultures/differences/capital/etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:21 Ike

9:22

Coach Norm:

Indicators of student performance

test scores
rigor of coursework
graduation rates
attendance rates
promotion rates
rates of participation in extra-curricular activities including community service

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:22 Coach Norm

9:23

Coach Norm:

Good question Ike..
I think it is a balance but I think that the experiences provide connections to base learning on.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:23 Coach Norm

9:23

Ike:

do we want to alternate who types what is on the screen?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:23 Ike

9:24	What is more important for learning? experience ( 75% ) culture ( 0% ) structure ( 25% ) curriculum ( 0% ) Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:24

9:24

Coach Norm:

Does not matter to me. We can all do it together if we want.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:24 Coach Norm

9:24

Beto...:

thats a hard poll

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:24 Beto...

9:24

Beto...:

it is all important

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:24 Beto...

9:25

Coach Norm:

yes it is. Just wanted to show you guys that you can also create polls within the blog as well.
A great way to get some feedback and input.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:25 Coach Norm

9:27

alex:

A need in schools to validate cultural similarities, rather than differences, through the context of creating experiences. i.e., a debate in more than one language--teaches skills, concepts, and cultural identity.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:27 alex

9:27

Coach Norm:

Attendance rate - great indicator -
State wide average is just under 97%

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:27 Coach Norm

9:27

Beto...:

attendance rate data gives you information on the culture and climate of the school...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:27 Beto...

9:28

Beto...:

high attendance in students and teachers is a good indicator or positive school culture...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:28 Beto...

9:28

Coach Norm:

We have attendance issues because of families vacations, trips, etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:28 Coach Norm

9:29

Beto...:

of course, but a school with significant attendance issues can probably tell us something about it...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:29 Beto...

9:29

Ike:

it's very difficult to pinpoint underlying issues when alot of these things can simply be tied back to structural or organizational issues...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:29 Ike

9:29

Coach Norm:

I agree with Beto. If you like the environment, you will show up.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:29 Coach Norm

9:30

Ike:

when students are absent, are parents called? is discipline consistent? are teachers addressed? parent teacher conference? etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:30 Ike

9:31

Coach Norm:

not every time in our school. 2400 students, lots of calls.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:31 Coach Norm

9:31

Ike:

need more secretaries?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:31 Ike

9:32

Beto...:

i observed an AP in a SA school... she was solely in charge of attendance, drop outs....

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:32 Beto...

9:32

Coach Norm:

rigor of work evaluation - student engagement, type of work required,

Never judge based on one piece of data.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:32 Coach Norm

9:32

Ike:

everytime I attempt to make a correlation between biases, discrimination, etc. and student achievement I seem to find organizational issues that weaken my argument or data that I present...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:32 Ike

9:33

Ike:

that's why I feel leaders might need to focus on structural/managerial issues first

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:33 Ike

9:33

Beto...:

traditional and nontraditional data can be observed

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:33 Beto...

9:33

Beto...:

most of these are traditional

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:33 Beto...

9:33

alex:

attendance=relationship with teacher--notice when student is frequently absent, calls home, puts pressure on student. but how do we as leaders get teachers to care/call/notice/exert effort into this?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:33 alex

9:34

Coach Norm:

Data sources

surveys and questionnaires
interviews
focus groups
teacher logs or diaries
classrom observations of actual instructional practices and student responses.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:34 Coach Norm

9:34

Coach Norm:

phone log
parent contacts

personal reflections - aha moments with classes, students, etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:34 Coach Norm

9:35

Coach Norm:

a number of kinds of data from diaries, reflections.

I think that blogging is good for this. It also makes it public to get reader comments.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:35 Coach Norm

9:36

Coach Norm:

alternative assessments, portfolios, work samples, senior projects

locally developed pretests and post tests

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:36 Coach Norm

9:37

Coach Norm:

Qualitative information -how people think, feel, say, or do.

Provides depth and detail

Provides clarification

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:37 Coach Norm

9:39

Coach Norm:

qualitative data is context specific - you cannot use it to be true for any other context.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:39 Coach Norm

9:39

Ike:

Differences: Quantitative can be translated to different context (trends, etc.) while Qualitative data is more contextual and cannot be used to generalize

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:39 Ike

9:41

Coach Norm:

You learn different things from qualitative vs. quantitative data.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:41 Coach Norm

9:43

Ike:

quantitative data can lead to incorrect assumptions...qualitative information can also be misinterpreted and collected via biased procedures such as guided questions

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:43 Ike

9:44

Ike:

you can always find the data you need to support your argument...we need to look at all angles before concluding

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:44 Ike

9:44

Coach Norm:

Triangulation is key with both types to confirm validaty

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:44 Coach Norm

9:44

Ike:

yessir

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:44 Ike

9:44

alex:

yes

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:44 alex

9:46

Coach Norm:

Three kinds of data

Input data - what students come to school with, teacher variables

Process variables - curriculum, instr. tech and materials.

Outcome variables - the results or measures of both input and process variables.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:46 Coach Norm

9:48

Ike:

more sources = better decisions :)

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:48 Ike

9:49

Coach Norm:

The more sources of data you have, the more powerful you decisions will be.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:49 Coach Norm

9:49

Coach Norm:

you beat me to it.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:49 Coach Norm

9:49

Ike:

ha ha

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:49 Ike

9:49

Ike:

its all good the more the merrier

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:49 Ike

9:50

Coach Norm:

What do I want to know and what data will help answer the question?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:50 Coach Norm

9:50

Beto...:

What data do I want to know and what data will help answer the question?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:50 Beto...

9:51

Ike:

the challenge lies in the fact that you can spend forever trying to find correlations that exist simply within the TAKS data...so how do you efficiently include other sources of data when the accountability is so high stakes

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:51 Ike

9:53

Ike:

you create risk taking environment and promote the consideration of other possible factors...right?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:53 Ike

9:53

Coach Norm:

The focus should not be on the scores only. Look beyond that. Shoot higher and it will take care of itself.

Pie in the Sky Dream Right.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:53 Coach Norm

9:53

Beto...:

what are other things besides scores we can look at?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:53 Beto...

9:53

Ike:

BUT, such processes research says take 3-5 years...you can get fired in 1 year nowadays for not producing TAKS scores

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:53 Ike

9:54

Beto...:

attendance, involvement....

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:54 Beto...

9:54

Coach Norm:

Good question Beto

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:54 Coach Norm

9:55

Coach Norm:

If you find the answer, lets publish the answer and we can retire before we even start

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:55 Coach Norm

9:55

alex:

campus culture, discipline referrals, attitude of students towards teachers, attitude from teachers towards studetns, attendance, failures of semester/year

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:55 alex

9:55

Beto...:

lets do it...

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:55 Beto...

9:56

Beto...:

teacher assessment professional developments would be very imoportant if we took failures of semester/year

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:56 Beto...

9:56

Ike:

survey / interview / focus groups / conversations (for beto) addressing attendance, parent involvement, socioeconomic status, parent education experience, discipline data, student-teacher relationships, school-parent relationships, etc.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:56 Ike

9:56

Coach Norm:

Danger Zones

dont jump in head long in data-driven decision making and enforce accountability before bringing people aboard the people needed to make teh system work.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:56 Coach Norm

9:56

alex:

good observation Ike. additionally, you can be a horrible ineffective principal but remain in position due to high TAKS scores. (looks good from outside but infrastructure crumbling) i.e. good from afar but far from good

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:56 alex

9:56

Coach Norm:

Do not bombard people with data.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:56 Coach Norm

9:57

Coach Norm:

Don't lose track of what is important.

Tell me only what is important to me. Tell me the simple answer from the data.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:57 Coach Norm

9:58

Coach Norm:

There is alot of data out there for making decisions.
Multilpe sources of data are out there.
Do not make a decision on a single source
Quan and Qual data are both important.
Make sure you understand the data before you present it.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:58 Coach Norm

9:59

alex:

Danger in that--tell me what's important to me? must look at climate of school, culture of school and community. simplicity=good, simplicity=not willing to take risks?

Wednesday July 16, 2008 9:59 alex

10:00

Beto...:

good conversation....

Wednesday July 16, 2008 10:00 Beto...

10:00

Coach Norm:

Additional Reading assigned today in class.

Wednesday July 16, 2008 10:00 Coach Norm

10:00

Coach Norm:

Great conversation.

Encourages to parcitipate in the conversation.