The Future of APIs(02/29/2008) 
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Down with the lights, up with the presentations.

Friday February 29, 2008 4:40 
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Webappcharts winners are being announced. 1 Gmail, 2 Flickr, 3 Twitter, 4  Facebook,  5 Ravelry, 6 Wordpress
Friday February 29, 2008 4:41 
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Introducing Kevin.. apparently the organizers have known him for ages. It's a love fest.

Friday February 29, 2008 4:42 
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Enter Kevin. Let's talk about the cloud.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:44 
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This is going to be all about Open Social, XFN, etc.. should be interesting.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:45 
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Explaining how "The Cloud" is so transparent that the "younger generation" doesn't even see it.
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Email is dying for younger users. We've covered this before. Messaging is totally different for the younger set who've grown up with the web.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:48 
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"kids only use email to talk to 'The Man'"

Friday February 29, 2008 4:48 
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People are using URLs to identify themselves more than they use email addresses for same. Apt observation.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:49 
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"Some of these documents are just like people" "The links between the documents are relationships"

Friday February 29, 2008 4:49 
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XFN defines that, and I believe Kevin is about to talk on how Google's Open Social takes that further.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:50 
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"Extracting the people part of the web from the document part of the web"
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XFN and FOAF describe relationships. XFN inside the document itslef, FOAF as an external doc.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:51 
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Cartoon : "I've got more friend networks than friends"
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Cartoon : XKCD internet map
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Connecting people across distributed social networks is the goal.

Friday February 29, 2008 4:53 
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using the map as a metaphor.. you work with the social web in one country, and the API takes it to where people are
Friday February 29, 2008 4:55 
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Open Social : People, Friends, Data, Actions in context.
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They collected the common things across sites.. Age, sex, location, books, movies, urls, etc..
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Rather than take everything, they took what was common between sites. PRobably will revisit this several times to unify the data
Friday February 29, 2008 4:56 
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discussing how this can be used in applications.. very basic so far.
Friday February 29, 2008 4:58 
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Discussing the abstraction of data ownership
Friday February 29, 2008 4:59 
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Slide : Activities - Things people do in your app
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having a single data store makes it easy to retrieve bits about your friends and your network.
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Why would you do this?
Friday February 29, 2008 5:01 
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Asks : Who has written a registration bit for a web app?
hands raised.

Did you enjoy it?

Exactly.
Friday February 29, 2008 5:02 
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You're saving the user the task, and saving yourself the chore of signing up..
similar to the advantge of openID
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Another point, scaling.
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Open Social allows you to write an app with no persistent data store, using the API as your data warehouse

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Or, you can be the container, rather than the user of the container.
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It's all about using the app in multiple contexts, and having the access to a wide range of data.
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Now we're on to how to capture the essence of human interactions and relationships. It's complicated.

Friday February 29, 2008 5:07 
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If you've ever broken up with someone via Facebook, you know what he's talking about. Yikes.
Friday February 29, 2008 5:07 
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hey! It's Brad Fitzpatrick on the slide.
Friday February 29, 2008 5:08 
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Shows a flowchart of realtionships in Pride and Prejudice. Wow. There is no "enemy of" in XFN
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"you don't want to promote dissention on the web"
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"initially dislikes then falls in love with"
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hah, that's the ultimate definition of social relationship in humans. How do you describe all these in data?
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Tying in the cloud.. "Is there a cloud we can put around social relationships?"

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Yes. The cloud is in your head. You don't think about these things actively, but you know them in your own realtionships.

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If it's in your head, all we need to do is associate it with the people.
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Summing up : Open Social involves building the cloud around social networks. Offering your application access to data, even if it's stored other places.

Friday February 29, 2008 5:12 
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Question: What are the negatives?
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Marks doesn't stumble, but he's obviously painting a nice 10,000ft picture.
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You have to trust your primary site.. and its policies for sharing that data.
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Obviously, this is a problem that hasn't fully been solved.. or solved at all.
Friday February 29, 2008 5:14 
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Question : This sounds like a utopia.. and utopia's don't work
Friday February 29, 2008 5:15 
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The avitar complex breaks the model.. I want to be one person over here.. and another person over here..

Friday February 29, 2008 5:15 
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People are far more complex than this data model allows, (personal observation)
Friday February 29, 2008 5:16 
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some sites will specialize in being a registration site.. some will specialize in apps. The API gives the ability for others to solves these problems. The user base defines the eventual model
Friday February 29, 2008 5:18 
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Question : Who is responsible for authenticating? How do you eliminate spamish or fraud links and definitions of relationships?
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OpenID and XFN are the answer.. XFN is directional, OpenID validates ownership of urls.
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Question: Why is google in this?

Friday February 29, 2008 5:20 
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To make the web better.. that sounds like plattitude but, it's true"
Friday February 29, 2008 5:20 
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Marks is running way over time.

Friday February 29, 2008 5:21 
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This is the most questions we've seen all day.
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"creating positive feedback loops is the golden end"
Friday February 29, 2008 5:22 
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