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Wednesday February 13, 2013

2:57

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Hey everyone -- great to have Spring Training underway again! The Indians and Mariners are making lots of headlines these days. Let me know your questions and I'll get to as many as I can within the hour.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 2:57 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:01

[Comment From Tribe fanTribe fan: ]

Do you think the Indians will get a starting pitcher before the season starts? If so, who do you think? It seems to me that with all the money they've been spending, it would be ridiculous not to get a pitcher, 'cause I don't really see them contending without adding one.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:01 Tribe fan

3:02

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I agree that they could still use a starting pitcher. Their rotation looks shaky and doesn't compare with that of the Tigers. I don't get the sense that they're going to add another pitcher, though -- ESPN's Buster Olney has reported they aren't expected to sign Lohse.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:02 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:03

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Can you see the Cardinals going anything big this year or next

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:03 Guest

3:03

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I doubt the Cardinals will do all that much before Opening Day (other than a potential Wainwright deal) but next winter I can see them aggressively pursuing shortstops in trades.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:03 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:04

[Comment From FrankFrank: ]

Do you think GM's ever withhold consummating agreed-upon trades until after season-ticket sales season?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:04 Frank

3:04

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I doubt it. It'd be tough to persuade the other GM to wait in that scenario.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:04 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:05

[Comment From Matt SMatt S: ]

Drew Stubbs for Chris Archer, fair deal right?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:05 Matt S

3:05

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I'd rather have Archer.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:05 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:05

[Comment From Ms FanMs Fan: ]

Where do you see Shawn Kelley and Mike Carp ending up?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:05 Ms Fan

3:06

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I can see the Red Sox landing Carp based on the report from the Boston Globe that they've considered him internally. As for Kelley, it could be any number of teams. I do think he'll be traded or claimed though.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:06 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:06

[Comment From Kyle LohseKyle Lohse: ]

Who will I sign with this season? Will it happen soon?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:06 Kyle Lohse

3:07

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

There's no guarantee Lohse will sign soon, but I do expect he'll sign. There are enough teams that could use pitching that he'll draw decent interest, even while attached to draft pick compensation. I can see the Brewers, Nationals, Indians, Orioles, Rangers or Angels getting involved. At this point none of those clubs seem likely though.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:07 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:08

[Comment From Scott Boras/Michael BournScott Boras/Michael Bourn: ]

How would you rate the deal I just pulled off with the Indians?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:08 Scott Boras/Michael Bourn

3:10

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I think Bourn and Boras did fine. The $48MM guarantee is substantial and it's tough to generate a market for players with such limited power. That said many ranked Bourn above Upton ($75MM) entering the offseason, so it's far from a coup for Boras.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:10 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:11

[Comment From Jose ValverdeJose Valverde: ]

I had one shaky year, when and where am i going to sign!?!?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:11 Jose Valverde

3:11

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I'd be very hesitant to sign Valverde for more than $1-2MM guaranteed if I were in a front office.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:11 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:12

[Comment From Ms FanMs Fan: ]

Where do you see us finishing with all the moves we've made?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:12 Ms Fan

3:12

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Fourth in the AL West.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:12 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:12

[Comment From ZachZach: ]

Chances Will Myers makes the team out of spring training?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:12 Zach

3:13

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

It's my expectation that the Rays will hold Myers in the minor leagues for the beginning of the season so as to delay his arrival at the MLB level and limit his service time.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:13 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:13

[Comment From DonDon: ]

Thoughts on GMs not really willing to deal with Boras- like, dislike, indifferent?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:13 Don

3:13

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I'm not aware of any GMs who aren't willing to deal with Boras. I think it'd be bad business to rule out his client base.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:13 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:14

[Comment From Zach BZach B: ]

What do you believe the Indians will do with the surplus in the outfield?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:14 Zach B

3:14

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I won't be surprised if they trade Stubbs somewhere. Though some teams are comfortable having 'too many' outfielders (A's for example).

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:14 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:15

[Comment From Luke R.Luke R.: ]

What are your AL west projections?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:15 Luke R.

3:15

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Angels - Rangers - Athletics - Mariners - Astros

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:15 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:15	Which team will win the AL West? Angels ( 50% ) Rangers ( 12% ) Athletics ( 19% ) Mariners ( 10% ) Astros ( 9% ) Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:15

3:16

[Comment From ChrisChris: ]

Why have the Orioles not garnered more criticism? Career years out of numerous players and an almost impossible to duplicate record in 1-run games, shouldn't they have jumped at adding whoever they could before they revert back to form?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:16 Chris

3:17

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I think the Orioles should have done more. This team has issues in the rotation and as you point out it'd be unreasonable to expect similar dominance from the bullpen. I also acknowledge that they have more information on their team than anyone and have made some shrewd decisions in the last year-plus.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:17 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:18

[Comment From HunterHunter: ]

Who makes the 4th and 5th spot in the Indians rotation out of spring training?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:18 Hunter

3:18

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Sounds like McAllister plus an open competition for the five spot.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:18 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:18

[Comment From ChrisChris: ]

Which teams are most likely to surprise people (positively, of course)? Do the Brewers have the pitching?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:18 Chris

3:18

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I can see the Indians, Royals, Mariners, Mets, Cubs or Padres surprising people in 2013.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:18 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:19

[Comment From Matt SMatt S: ]

What do you think of Samardzija reportedly turning down an extension, pretty risky right?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:19 Matt S

3:20

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

For most players I would say yes. But Samardzija signed a $10MM deal out of the draft and earned $2.64MM for 2012 and 2013. He already has his first fortune and I understand holding out to see if an even bigger one is possible in a couple of years.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:20 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:21

[Comment From Doug MelvinDoug Melvin: ]

I can get Kyle Lohse for 2 / 20 but lose a draft pick to my rival, the Cardinals. Should I make this move?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:21 Doug Melvin

3:21

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I doubt the Brewers could get Lohse for $20/two years.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:21 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:22

[Comment From MaxMax: ]

Who's gonna be the next position player to sign a big Tulo/Zimmerman-like deal?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:22 Max

3:22

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Posey comes to mind.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:22 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:23

[Comment From Terry HarmonTerry Harmon: ]

Do you think the Mets were used in the Bourn deal? Seems that way to me. Especially since all reports indicated that nobody had asked mlb or an arbitrator to rule on the draft pick issue.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:23 Terry Harmon

3:24

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Not at all. The Mets want it known that they were involved in pursuit of Bourn. It suggests to the fan base that they're acting like a big market club and intent on making improvements. If the Mets were 'used' they wouldn't be tweeting about their failed pursuit of Bourn in my view.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:24 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:24

[Comment From PeterPeter: ]

Does Kelley alone net the Mariners Rick Porcello? Or would a larger package be needed?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:24 Peter

3:24

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

The Tigers wouldn't make that deal.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:24 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:24

[Comment From Justin VerlanderJustin Verlander: ]

Will I sign my Contract extension with Detroit this spring.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:24 Justin Verlander

3:25

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Judging by the comments Verlander made to FOX Sports' Jon Morosi it sure sounds as though he's intrigued by free agency.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:25 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:25

[Comment From Phil HughesPhil Hughes: ]

Is this year my potential breakout year, just in time for FA?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:25 Phil Hughes

3:25

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Hughes' career ERA+ is 99. I'm not seeing a breakout pitcher here.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:25 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:26

[Comment From TroyTroy: ]

The Cubs should sign Samardzija and the end of the season if he is healthy and has good stats

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:26 Troy

3:26

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I'm with you on this one.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:26 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:26

[Comment From LuigiLuigi: ]

What was the worst signing of the offseason?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:26 Luigi

3:27

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

For me it's the Brandon League deal.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:27 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:27

[Comment From BrianBrian: ]

Are the Dodgers really going to have 8 pitchers this spring?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:27 Brian

3:28

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I definitely won't be surprised if they deal Capuano or Harang. One reader suggested the Indians might be interested.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:28 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:29

[Comment From LarryLarry: ]

Girardi of course says the Yanks will win 95 games..what do you think

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:29 Larry

3:30

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I agree that the Yankees have that upside. But Joel Sherman made a good point today, noting in the NY Post that these Yankees have more downside than usual as well.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:30 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:31

[Comment From HarthanHarthan: ]

With a lot of discussion over baseball's first 200 million dollar pitcher, is there anyone in baseball today who you see as baseball's first 300 million dollar player? (Trout?)

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:31 Harthan

3:31

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Trout and Harper could both end up as the first $300MM player in baseball. Stanton would also seem to have a shot at it.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:31 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:31

[Comment From JayneJayne: ]

The Yankees tweeted Rivera has made a decision about his career. What do you think it is? Will he pitch ths year?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:31 Jayne

3:32

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

My guess: he will announce he's retiring after the 2013 season.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:32 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:32

[Comment From TroyTroy: ]

I think the worst signing was Berkman or Youk.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:32 Troy

3:32

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I disagree with you there. I like both deals since they're relatively low risk moves. Plus the third base market was thin and there's reason to believe Berkman can mash if healthy.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:32 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:33

[Comment From TylerTyler: ]

Worst signing of the offseason from a players perspective?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:33 Tyler

3:33

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Really good question. I don't have an answer off the top of my head, but I'll brainstorm.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:33 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:33

[Comment From carpentercarpenter: ]

have i pitched mylast game?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:33 carpenter

3:33

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

It sure sounds that way.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:33 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:34

[Comment From Ben SmithBen Smith: ]

Now that we know that Cleveland had the resources available, would you have preferred pursuing Lohse over Bourn?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:34 Ben Smith

3:34

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Good question. No, I like the Bourn move for them. Signing Bourn does make the Indians markedly better on defense and overall.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:34 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:35

[Comment From Dave DombrowskiDave Dombrowski: ]

Is it a good idea to go with Rondon as my closer? Or should I kick the tires on Brian Wilson

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:35 Dave Dombrowski

3:35

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I like the idea of bringing Wilson to Detroit assuming he is reasonably healthy (and maybe that's a dangerous assumption).

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:35 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:36

[Comment From Markie DubsMarkie Dubs: ]

Worst from a player perspective? Lohse should have taken the $13M qualifying offer from STL?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:36 Markie Dubs

3:37

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I see what you're saying, but I fully expect he'll end up obtaining more than $13.3MM guaranteed.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:37 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:37

[Comment From MonroeMonroe: ]

Should the Mariners have waited to extend Felix? Two years is a long time in the life of a pitcher.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:37 Monroe

3:37

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

You can definitely make the case that they should have waited. But given Felix's youth I am fine with this deal from the team perspective.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:37 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:37

[Comment From J-sonJ-son: ]

Who is the prospect you're most excited to see get called up to the majors in 2013?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:37 J-son

3:38

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Bundy will be fun.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:38 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:38

[Comment From Elton JuanElton Juan: ]

Do you have a problem with Carpenter not retiring and keeping his 2013 salary?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:38 Elton Juan

3:39

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Not at all. He signed that contract and is entitled to the money as long as he attempts to recover/works and communicates with the Cardinals for the duration of the deal.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:39 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:39

[Comment From TH3TH3: ]

Do you know where I can pick up some of the stuff the 7% of your readers are smoking who think the Astros will win the AL West?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:39 TH3

3:39

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Haha, I am surprised the Astros are getting that much credit as well. There's zero chance they win in my view.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:39 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:39

[Comment From Matt SMatt S: ]

What are the rockies going to do with starting pitching?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:39 Matt S

3:40

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I'm not sure. If they don't add arms, it might be ugly.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:40 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:40

[Comment From RobRRobR: ]

Will the Cardinals get insurance to cover Carps loss? If so, why not use the savings to sign Lohse?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:40 RobR

3:41

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Rosenthal has reported they'll get some relief for Carpenter via insurance. They would not get an additional draft pick if they sign Lohse.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:41 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:41

[Comment From AnthonyAnthony: ]

Should the angels sign kyle lohse?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:41 Anthony

3:41

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I think he'd be a nice addition for the Angels and he wouldn't cost them their top pick.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:41 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:41

[Comment From ErikErik: ]

If you were Frank Wren would you rather have BJ or Bourn in center, current contracts considered?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:41 Erik

3:42

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Good question. Probably Bourn but it's close.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:42 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:42

[Comment From ShamrockinShamrockin: ]

More trade value next offseason David price or Stanton

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:42 Shamrockin

3:43

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Stanton, but that's mostly a product of his service time; he'll be first time arb eligible next winter.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:43 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:43

[Comment From LeeLee: ]

How does a Super Two player work? Would Trevor Bauer qualify if he makes the club out of spring training?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:43 Lee

3:43

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/super-two-cutoff-to-be-2139.html

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:43 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:44

[Comment From Josh JohnsonJosh Johnson: ]

AA just offered me a 3/55M extension. Should I sign it?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:44 Josh Johnson

3:44

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I wouldn't take that if I were Johnson and feeling healthy.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:44 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:45

[Comment From JeffJeff: ]

Will Francona be a better manager in Cleveland than he was in Boston?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:45 Jeff

3:45

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

He was pretty good in Boston as far as I can tell. Two titles isn't bad!

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:45 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:45

[Comment From GMDMGMDM: ]

At this point is it possible that Lohse might only sign a one year deal?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:45 GMDM

3:45

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I still expect a multiyear deal for Lohse.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:45 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:45

[Comment From J-sonJ-son: ]

Who among the 2014 free agents has the most to gain from a big 2013 campaign?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:45 J-son

3:46

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Good question. I think Halladay, Carlos Gomez and Tim Lincecum could be considered in that group.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:46 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:46

[Comment From John GJohn G: ]

How do you rank the Pirates rotation of Burnett, Rodriguez, McDonald, Liriano, and Karstens with the recently signed Sanchez as proven depth

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:46 John G

3:47

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I consider that rotation below average but acceptable with some upside.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:47 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:47

[Comment From Cards GuyCards Guy: ]

Maybe Carpenter should give Gil Meche a call...

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:47 Cards Guy

3:47

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Yeah, doing what Meche did was exceptional. Most players don't walk away from that kind of money and for good reason.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:47 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:47

[Comment From JohnJohn: ]

If Lohse goes unsigned into the regular season will he still be tied to a draft pick?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:47 John

3:48

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

My understanding is that he'll be tied to compensation until after the draft takes place in June.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:48 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:48

[Comment From BenBen: ]

How would you rank the new CBA? Does teams not getting the additional 1st rounder for loss of FA make any sense competitve balance wise?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:48 Ben

3:49

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I like the new CBA. I think the MLBPA and MLB ironed out some quirks that didn't need to be there (Elias rankings, Type A/B free agents) while making some positive big picture changes (second Wild Card team, 15 teams per league) and keeping the strong financial structure of the game in place.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:49 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:49

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

does derek lowe have any value as a starter?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:49 Guest

3:49

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Sure, on a minor league deal.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:49 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:50

[Comment From BenBen: ]

Does any OF lack more power than the Yanks? Estimated 50 combined HR's is unsettling

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:50 Ben

3:50

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

The Mets outfielders would be in that conversation as well.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:50 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:51

[Comment From jollymanjollyman: ]

Lohse will still get multi year contract just less money. A team will step in and try and get a good player at a bargain

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:51 jollyman

3:52

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

This makes sense to me for Lohse.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:52 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:52

[Comment From RabbiRabbi: ]

How outrageous is it to think the Phillies can win the division in 2013?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:52 Rabbi

3:53

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

It's not likely, but it seems imaginable, especially if Halladay and Utley can return to form and stay healthy.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:53 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:54

[Comment From AdrianAdrian: ]

Matt Garza to the Indians if the Indians in contention at the deadline and Garza healthy

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:54 Adrian

3:55

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I can see that happening. Garza will draw lots of interest if healthy, but the rotation will likely be an area of need for the Indians even if they are contending.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:55 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:55

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Time for a couple more questions...

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:55 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:55

[Comment From Scott RolenScott Rolen: ]

Am I really retiring or just setting up a mid summer return?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:55 Scott Rolen

3:56

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Rolen is definitely not retiring -- at least not for now. A midseason return seems possible, or even a late-spring return.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:56 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:56

[Comment From Ryan GilsonRyan Gilson: ]

Johan Santana trade deadline candidate?

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:56 Ryan Gilson

3:57

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

I expect Santana will be a trade candidate if healthy. If he resembles his past self there will be lots of demand. Top starters generate tons of interest midseason, since there are usually just two or three of them.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:57 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:57

[Comment From Twins eating TigersTwins eating Tigers: ]

Can I just say thank you. I block off my work calendar just about every week to check out the MLBTR chat. Who knows /who cares, what my boss must think that I am actually doing during this time.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:57 Twins eating Tigers

3:58

Ben Nicholson-Smith:

Awesome! Thanks for chatting everyone. It's always a fun time. I'll be back for more next week.

Wednesday February 13, 2013 3:58 Ben Nicholson-Smith

3:58