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Crappy Hour with Spencer Ackerman, July 13, 2009
 
9:13
Spencer -  You know, just because you got stood up on Friday is no excuse to leave me waiting in this coffee shop for half an hour. I feel humiliated!
9:13
Megan -  Did you say coffee?
9:15
Spencer -  I lied: it's Coke Zero for me in my barren office. Speaking of: why isn't that YYYs single already the Coke Zero commercial pitch? And when we're 60, will "Gold Lion" be used to advertise the Food Lion?
9:16
Spencer -  also, if you're going to drink soda for your morning refreshment, there's no reason why you shouldn't add some pretzels to that mix.
9:17
Megan -  Are you just teasing me with caffeinated beverages? Why are you doing this to me? You know I love caffeine. And I'm sure you've guessed I don't yet have any at my disposal at this moment.

Anyway, so, explain to me the whole "Dick Cheney ordered the CIA to lie to Congress" thing. 'Cause that seems both important and bad.
9:17
Spencer -  Glenn Greenwald's Twitter poses a question that frames today well:
No decision John Roberts authors will be as hideous as the stupid, deceitful baseball analogy he foisted on the world for describing judges.

Prediction?
9:18
Spencer -  OK, we'll do CIA first.
9:18
Megan -  That eventually Glenn Greenwald will have to develop a better imagination for the horrors John Roberts can foist on the world?
9:23
Megan -  I mean, for real, Roberts has 2 kids, right? Who knows what they could grow up to be!
9:26
Spencer -  So there's some "significant actions" that seven Congresspersons said on Wednesday that CIA Director Leon Panetta acknowledged in June. Those actions -- we don't know what exactly they are, but if you read my pal Siobhan Gorman's excellent excellent excellent WSJ piece this morning, it appears in broad contour to be the creation or (more likely) bolstering of some kind of assassination capability to be used on al-Qaeda. CIA isn't supposed to do this kind of thing but there are caveats to that general rule. Anyway, whatever it is, Panetta says in a closed House session in late June that he shut it down. It freaked him out. And apparently it never got passed the money-and-training stage, although I'm way skeptical about that.

Beyond that: Panetta said that no one told Congress about this shit. Over the weekend, Scott Shane at the NYT and my main dude Eli Lake at the Washington Times -- happy birthday Eli; ladies he's available -- report that Dick Cheney and then-CIA Director George Tenet made sure Congress didn't know about any of this. Cheney would have needed CIA's complicity in keeping the effort away from Congress but chances are Tenet would have eagerly offered it up. Diane Feinstein says concealing the effort from Congress may have been illegal.

I have my skepticism all around,as there's still a ton to this story we don't know, but that's a serviceable summary. Speculations-wise, I have some tinfoil on here.
9:29
Megan -  Maybe his willingness to toady and lie to Congress is the real reason Dubya gave him the medal?http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_--YjWiyF8eE/SUlWUgztAdI/AAAAAAAAEK0/xR4aiBixnV4/s400/GeorgeTenetMedal.jpg
9:32
Megan -  Also: I am also skeptical that it was never operational, how the fuck does it take 8 years to train someone to shoot people? It didn't even take that long on Alias, and she had, like, zero experience.http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/buena_vista/alias__the_complete_first_season/jennifer_garner/alias2.jpg
She did have cool wigs, though. Maybe the CIA was just trying to get in with her wigmaker?
9:32
Spencer -  Eh, there's so much more to it than that, I would guess this is a drop in the bucket. Tenet was a loyal soldier for Bush so he got medaled.

One thing about post-9/11-era assassinations. Why is this really controversial? We put a Hellfire missile on the forehead of an al-Qaeda suspect in Yemen in 2002 and no one complained. This is one reason why I suspect there's more to this program, given all the outrage it's generated.
9:33
Spencer -  I watched that show like twice and got bored.
9:34
Spencer -  So am I wrong in my presumption today that no one gives a shit about national security and everyone just wants to talk Sotomayor? Because if I am I'm going to have a really embarrassing editorial meeting in 90 minutes
9:36
Megan -  I watched that show religiously (Michael Vartan AND Bradley Cooper AND Kevin Weisman and Victor Garner!)

Also, if it's worse than randomly blowing people in third party countries the fuck up, I am already horrified.

Finally: yes. I am sure the hearings into Sotomayors racism nomination are of more concern to most people.
9:37
Spencer -  So if you were to put her on a scale -- let's say 10 makes her Adolf Hitler and 1 makes her Bruno -- just how racist is Sonia Sotomayor? As a white man in this country I feel I have suffered in silence for too long.
9:39
Megan -  Having listened to the Republicans since her nomination, I now realize that she pretty much intends to single-handedly destory all white men. So, an 11?
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