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12:42
Huffington Post -  Join Ryan Grim back here at 3pm EST for a live chat on his new book, "This is Your Country on Drugs: This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America."
12:42
Huffington Post -  And in the meantime, submit any questions or comments for Ryan, below.
3:07
[Comment From James Kotecki]
Is this party about to get started?
3:08
Ryan Grim -  Yes! Thanks everybody for coming. A bunch of interesting questions to get to. So let's get the party started.
3:09
[Comment From Alan Veil]
Why do you think LSD use has dropped off so dramatically? Do you think the paranoia associated with some drugs is entirely chemical, or does the War on Drugs have an effect on the general mind set--like Leary's set and setting-that may be affecting this?
3:15
Ryan Grim -  I think there's something to that, yes, and that American was a less receptive place for psychedelics after Sept. 11, 2001. But primarily I think the disappearanc of LSD (and yes, it's beginning to come back, but let's not spoil the book too much) had more to do with three specific things. I wrote about them in a story I wrote for Slate oh-these-many-years ago...

http://www.slate.com/id/2098109/

1. The bust of Leonard Pickard, in November 2000, appears to have knocked out an allegedly major producer. Pickard and I have been corresponding since 2004 and he maintains his innocence. He's doing two consecutive life sentences for distribution of LSD. Even if guilty, I don't think the man belongs in prison. But other sources in the community, as well as circustantial evidence, indicate he was most likely a major producer.

2. The end of the Grateful Dead and Phish tours. These roving psychedelic postal services brought doses to every city they played.

3. The end of giant raves. Ravers would go to the Dead Lot and pick up a few sheets of acid, then take it to some major party.

With these three things knocked out, LSD was dealt a major blow. It's cheaper and easier to make ecstasy, so no major chemist has yet stepped in to fill the demand. But hey, Phish is coming back, so it may be time for a revival.
3:16
[Comment From izekman]
is your book available on amazon at this time?
3:17
Ryan Grim -  Ha! Thought you'd never ask. Yes, it is...

http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Country-Drugs-History/dp/0470167394/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231014655&sr=1-1
3:18
[Comment From Sam]
Hi Ryan - Clearly, you are in the pro legalising narcotics group, I just want to know if you have considered what it would do to the society, the social order, the law and order situation,
3:19
Ryan Grim -  There are several questions like this, so let me get to them first. I have considered that. I'll post another related question and then give it the best answer I can.
3:19
[Comment From Mark Kleiman]
How do you think your essay would have been different if you'd started by thinking about crack rather than LSD?
3:24
Ryan Grim -  Very good question, Mark. And for those of you not familiar with him, Mark’s one of the leading drug policy experts in the country and the BANE of some legalization advocates because he very persuasively argues that the cost of increased addiction would outweigh the benefits to the economy and the reduction in the prison population. Here’s more on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kleiman

I don’t know about that, but I favor legalization, but doing so slowly. When a rush of drugs were introduced to the American mind in the 19th Century, we went on a decade-long bender that led to them being criminalized. Legalizing overnight would probably lead to a similar situation. So letting states make their own marijuana laws, then letting them make their own cocaine laws, etc., would gradually phase in legalization so the country doesn’t act like a freshman at college orientation the second drugs become legal.

I often get a different version of that question: You’re for legalization, okay, but what about crack? It’s a tough question because, of course, very real harm has been done by addiction to the drug. Has more harm been done by laws against? Maybe.

But addressing your question directly, yes, I think that particular excerpt would have been different, but I do address crack in the book. I argue – not originally; others have said this before me -- that drugs move through a community much like a virus does. At first, there's no resistance. Crack spread partly because people didn't realize how harmful it was. Once communities began to realize its downsides, "crackhead" became a pejorative phrase and kids had the best drug education possible -- eye-witness evidence of its destructive behavior. People still get hurt by it, but they do so knowing what we know about crack.

I've often seen the time of seven years mentioned as the period it takes for a drug to enter a community and directly or indirectly come into contact with almost everyone. As people become accustomed to the drug and recognize its downsides, use tapers off, as happened with crack in the '90s. So tightly regulating and educating people about crack might do just as much to keep its use down as outright prohibiting it.
3:24
[Comment From Derek]
Isn't the war on drugs really just a war on minorities? Much research has shown that drugs are/were introduced to poverty stricken or black communities, now the majority of these people are now all locked up in prison for non violent 'crimes'. So I see the 'war on drugs' as a very effective vehicle used by white Christians/Conservatives to imprison white trash/minorities and black people.
3:27
Ryan Grim -  Whether intentional or not, our drug policies hurt minorities more than whites. One of every hundred Americans is in prison (which is an insance stat). But one of 36 Latinos is locked up and one of 15 African Americans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/one-per-cent-of-americans-now-in-jail-790007.html

those aren't all for drugs, of course, but the drug stats are equally skewed. And once you get into the prison/criminal justice system, it's easier to get sent back to jail just for, say, failing a drug test after smoking marijuana. So the same activity -- smoking pot at home and not getting caught -- lands a person on parole or probation in jail while having no legal consequences for someone else.
3:28
[Comment From green politik]
Regarding medical marijuana and economics. Ryan, Would you consider doing a CBA (Cost Benefit Analysis) regarding the benefits of medical marijuana? It seems to me its MUCH less expensive (both on research & Developement) as well as production/manufacturing side to produce marijuana than lets say a drug like xanex? Your thoughts?
3:31
Ryan Grim -  Yeah, the numbers are pretty stark here, but I have them at my fingertips. Medical marijuana patients in California and elsewhere can grow their own plants in their backyard or window sill or closet. Try growing Xanex. In one chapter of the book, I also calculate the amount of money California is currently making by taxing sales of medical marijuana and it was in the hundreds of billions, and that was during the Bush administration.

And the federal government was getting some, too, because dispensary owners pay payroll tax, etc. So the federal government coffers are already being filled by taxes on pot.
3:31
[Comment From neil patrick conway]
i get from your article that we are all carrying mind altering substances. We we use more than in times past.?
3:33
Ryan Grim -  Not really. One point I make in my book is that drug use and the desire for inebriation are pretty constant throughout American (and global) history. The tobacco that settlers smoked, for instance, had a TON of nicotine and could apparently make folks hallucinate. And in the 1830s, for instance, when drinking began to decine, there was a rise in the use of opium at the same time. When one drug gets pushed down another one almost always rises.
3:35
[Comment From Donlon Wade]
As a 60's hippie who did his share of pot and never got addicted, when the THC was low dose, compared to today's high THC content cannabis where I see both young and older people, heavily addicted and unable to just quit, I am concerned about the move to make this so-called harmless drug even more available to young people. As a Licensed Alcohol & Drug Counselor who has been in the field for 39 years and counseled three generations of substance abusers, sometimes from the same family--father, son, and now grandson I am concerned about the early onset issue where adolescents seem to increasingly start earlier and do higher dosage levels, more often than the previous generation. We now know that the human brain is not even fully developed until around age 24 or 25 and the early drug use(whether alcohol, pot or prescription drugs) plays a major role in becoming addicted by a factor of 4. Our governments ( federal, state and local) are in deep denial over the extent of the problem facing our communities and the damage to our very fabric. Most people in their search to get high never believe they will get addicted and their own denial system keeps them from getting the help they really need. The cycles of drugs of choice keep changing, but the hazards of addiction seem to be constant and on the rise as more people at a younger age are consuming more of their drug of choice. What do you think?
3:39
Ryan Grim -  Bathing a 14-year-old brain in THC is pretty bad for it, I suspect, and don't advocate kids smoke pot. I'm not sure about the argument about the higher THC concentration, though. A certain amount of THC gets you high to a certain level. One study watched people smoke low-THC pot while the other group smoked high-THC pot. The latter group smoked less, because they got high quicker and stopped. So in one sense, higher THC pot, to a limited degree, could actually be healthier and reduce the intake of smoke.

And you're right, no one thinks they'll get addicted. (Well, some people probably just don't care.) Addiction is a constant problem -- one I think best addressed with treatment and education rather than incarceration.
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